2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Gaudreau is pretty likely gone for nothing imo

What do you think Tkachuk's trade value this summer will be with him one year from UFA?

Good chance all we have to show for these two players when all said and done is a late 1st, decent prospect and decent roster player

Makes keeping Lindholm, Hanifin and Mangiapane moot

How do you know this?? I mean really over the course of the last decade how many J.G. Level players have ended up walking?

Tkachuk will garner interest even with the price tag. He is a unique skill set, while playing both ends of the ice. Just seems like determined misery some times.

I get it. Flames fans are used to disillusionment but this team is a good Center and a good right winger away from being as good as anyone. Not to mention we have the assets to aquire both of those without gutting the pool or roster.

Far as I’m concerned both Tkachuk and Monny are gone at trade deadline and Johnny stays. We need a Horvat/Hertl/kahdri level second line center and a winger and the entire dynamic of the team changes.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Fire

I don't mind the way the Jets are running their team but how much success has the Winnipeg Jets had in the past 12 years. Not much different from the Flames success.

The Jets have been back since 2011-12 - this is their 11th year.

In 11 years, they've made the playoffs 5 times, including the last four seasons in a row.

They've made it out of the 1st round twice, and gone to a conference final.

They entered this season having had two head coaches in 10 years.

In those same 11 years, the Flames have made the playoffs four times, and lost in the 1st round three of four tries.

Since the Jets returned, the Flames have been coached by Brent Sutter, Bob Hartley, Glen Gulutzan, Bill Peters, Geoff Ward and Darryl Sutter.

The Jets aren't exactly the Sharks for sustained long-term success, but given what they're working with, they're the model for how to build a team in Canada.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Fan69

How do you know this?? I mean really over the course of the last decade how many J.G. Level players have ended up walking?

Tkachuk will garner interest even with the price tag. He is a unique skill set, while playing both ends of the ice. Just seems like determined misery some times.

I get it. Flames fans are used to disillusionment but this team is a good Center and a good right winger away from being as good as anyone. Not to mention we have the assets to aquire both of those without gutting the pool or roster.

Far as I’m concerned both Tkachuk and Monny are gone at trade deadline and Johnny stays. We need a Horvat/Hertl/kahdri level second line center and a winger and the entire dynamic of the team changes.

The time to splurge on a centre was four months ago when Jack Eichel was available for pennies on the dollar.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Fan69

How do you know this?? I mean really over the course of the last decade how many J.G. Level players have ended up walking?



Tkachuk will garner interest even with the price tag. He is a unique skill set, while playing both ends of the ice. Just seems like determined misery some times.



I get it. Flames fans are used to disillusionment but this team is a good Center and a good right winger away from being as good as anyone. Not to mention we have the assets to aquire both of those without gutting the pool or roster.



Far as I’m concerned both Tkachuk and Monny are gone at trade deadline and Johnny stays. We need a Horvat/Hertl/kahdri level second line center and a winger and the entire dynamic of the team changes.

It's an opinion buddy

IMO

I guess we'll see

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Fan69

How do you know this?? I mean really over the course of the last decade how many J.G. Level players have ended up walking?

Tkachuk will garner interest even with the price tag. He is a unique skill set, while playing both ends of the ice. Just seems like determined misery some times.

I get it. Flames fans are used to disillusionment but this team is a good Center and a good right winger away from being as good as anyone. Not to mention we have the assets to aquire both of those without gutting the pool or roster.

Far as I’m concerned both Tkachuk and Monny are gone at trade deadline and Johnny stays. We need a Horvat/Hertl/kahdri level second line center and a winger and the entire dynamic of the team changes.

You don’t too many very good players with term traded at the deadline. Hard to imagine someone taking Monny with a year left. Hard to imagine Tkachuk being traded with the Flames playing so well.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The time to splurge on a centre was four months ago when Jack Eichel was available for pennies on the dollar.

This again.
And how would they have done that if Buffalo preferred the players from Vegas, which BTW is showing to be smart so far.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Most Flames fans aren't happy with how this franchise manages assets, but man it must SUCK not to be able to enjoy a fun season when it's happening.

[Dude Where's Makar?]

If we are trading Tkachuk, I would add to try and land Barzal.

I would add a 1st 2022 with Tkachuk to land Barzal. Finally lock up that number 1C we've been lacking to go 1/2 with Lindholm.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This again.
And how would they have done that if Buffalo preferred the players from Vegas, which BTW is showing to be smart so far.

Over. Pay.

I'll come right out and say it. I'm the GM of this team, Jack Eichel is a Flame.

The prospect cupboard may be full of naught but baking powder and salt, but the core of the team is Johnny Gaudreau, Jack Eichel, Elias Lindholm and Matthew Tkachuk, and we are handing out extensions for er'ybuddy.

Darryl's gon' coach em up, and we're gon' get us an ocean liner.

#### you, Vegas. You can't have him. Not on my watch. Not today.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

They're like us basically, maybe 5% better

Not this year they’re not.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Over. Pay.

I'll come right out and say it. I'm the GM of this team, Jack Eichel is a Flame.

The prospect cupboard may be full of naught but baking powder and salt, but the core of the team is Johnny Gaudreau, Jack Eichel, Elias Lindholm and Matthew Tkachuk, and we are handing out extensions for er'ybuddy.

Darryl's gon' coach em up, and we're gon' get us an ocean liner.

#### you, Vegas. You can't have him. Not on my watch. Not today.

B.S.
Overpay HOW.
HOW do you know they would have taken your offer?
It's baseless. It's made up. It's imaginary.
WHAT would you have offered?
Guess what it's not enough.

They wanted the guys they got.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Dude Where's Makar?

If we are trading Tkachuk, I would add to try and land Barzal.

I would add a 1st 2022 with Tkachuk to land Barzal. Finally lock up that number 1C we've been lacking to go 1/2 with Lindholm.

Now this is what I am talking about. Adding a very good center changes the dynamic of the team and offsets the loss on the top line with more balance into the roster. If we’re distributing huge contracts make it a center.

Eichel wasn’t coming here unless Johnny and Tkachuk was going back. They didn’t want to deal with us so can we get over it now? You know concentrate on the centres that are available.

[GioforPM]

LOL - it was as easy as “overpaying” was it? There are only 3 forwards on Calgary that are a clear improvement over Tuch, and two of those have contract issues. And there are no prospects who are clearly better than Krebs, so I guess you have to give up at least two. So to get an injured 1C you give up Lindholm, and where are you then?

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Most Flames fans aren't happy with how this franchise manages assets, but man it must SUCK not to be able to enjoy a fun season when it's happening.

Not sure if this was directed at me but I think we can improve the roster and make a good season a great one.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

To me this looks a lot like how Jarmo Kekalainen handled the 18-19 Blue Jackets and he was applauded at the time.

He could have traded Panarin, Bobrovsky, etc, but instead they decided to try an win that season and cross that bridge of trying to sign those players that offseason.

Did it work out? Nope, and they are in the middle of a re-build now, but if the re-build is inevitable maybe it's fun to have one last hurrah with the group before it gets torn apart.

They achieved the high watermark for their franchise. Which is a bit sad, but true.

The previous two years they had been knocked out by the eventual cup champions. They had Norris(ish) and Vezina(ish) players, and Dubois seemed to be taking the next step.

Not selling Bob or Panarin was totally reasonable, especially considering how cheaply they acquired each player (albeit not always the best way to rationalize decisions). Goalies rarely move at the TDL, anyways.

The mistakes they can rue were spending two 2nds and Duclair on Dzingel and ultimately just a 1st (19OA) for Duchene, but so far those assets haven't amounted to anything. OTT also sold Stone that TDL, but haven't managed to get much out of any of those deals yet. Their best result has been from turning Karlsson into Stutzle.


It didn't work, but they managed to get picks 5, 12, and 25 last year, and are sitting on a very juicy CHI 1st (top 2 protected) this year.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

B.S.
Overpay HOW.
HOW do you know they would have taken your offer?
It's baseless. It's made up. It's imaginary.
WHAT would you have offered?
Guess what it's not enough.

They wanted the guys they got.

Because the offer they accepted is far far far less than my imaginary offer.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Fan69

How do you know this?? I mean really over the course of the last decade how many J.G. Level players have ended up walking?

Tkachuk will garner interest even with the price tag. He is a unique skill set, while playing both ends of the ice. Just seems like determined misery some times.

I get it. Flames fans are used to disillusionment but this team is a good Center and a good right winger away from being as good as anyone. Not to mention we have the assets to aquire both of those without gutting the pool or roster.

Far as I’m concerned both Tkachuk and Monny are gone at trade deadline and Johnny stays. We need a Horvat/Hertl/kahdri level second line center and a winger and the entire dynamic of the team changes.

You honestly believe Treliving will break up one of, if not the best line in the league at the trade deadline? This is the last season of Treliving’s wide open window.

I think he adds like he’s never added before and goes absolutely all in on this season. Tre’s legacy is essentially on the line here and he’s going to desperately want to make something out of his time here. Endless first round exits and middling finishes is not the legacy he wants to be remembered for.

I think Treliving ultimately ends up adding a forward or 2 and a Dman for his Cup run. I don’t think he trades anyone important off the team unless it’s for salary cap purposes.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

B.S.
Overpay HOW.
HOW do you know they would have taken your offer?
It's baseless. It's made up. It's imaginary.
WHAT would you have offered?
Guess what it's not enough.

They wanted the guys they got.

Whatever the offer was that kept then in on it, use that as a base then add another first round pick. Not enough? Add another. More? Pick a prospect. Want Mangipane, ok.

The Flames could have beat that offer, or at least drive the price up exponentially. Letting Vegas got him for so little is a joke.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Dude Where's Makar?

If we are trading Tkachuk, I would add to try and land Barzal.

I would add a 1st 2022 with Tkachuk to land Barzal. Finally lock up that number 1C we've been lacking to go 1/2 with Lindholm.

If I am the NYI, I would keep Brazal as he’s the player I am building around.

And if for some reason I needed to trade him, I certainly wouldn’t been looking at a player who will sign his qualifying offer and hit UFA at his earliest opportunity.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Whatever the offer was that kept then in on it, use that as a base then add another first round pick. Not enough? Add another. More? Pick a prospect. Want Mangipane, ok.

The Flames could have beat that offer, or at least drive the price up exponentially. Letting Vegas got him for so little is a joke.

Tuch > Mangiapane for Buffalo. You need a better player. At a similar contract.