[Trade] Flames trade Zadorov to Canucks for 24 5th and 26 3rd

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I never understood why people expect players to have any loyalty to a team when we all know the team would sell a player, any player, for a bag of pucks if it was of the slightest advantage to the team, on top of that every last one of us would take a better job with better prospects if it was offered, hockey is just a business, being a player is just a job, a job with a very short term uncertain earning potential and a high potential for long term health problems, the guys have to earn what they can when they can

I don’t think putting money first bothers teammates either. They understand this is a profession, and every guy in the league has to make hay while the sun shines. It’s only fans who (understandably) don’t like to acknowledge the mercenary nature of pro sports.

[Hack&Lube]

The man was hanging out by the locker room hugging everybody on the way out behind the scenes of the After Hours interview. Everybody seems to have loved him. Is that Kadri or Dube in the tocque?

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

The man was hanging out by the locker room hugging everybody on the way out behind the scenes of the After Hours interview. Everybody seems to have loved him. Is that Kadri or Dube in the tocque?

Kadri.

I don't think every one loved him . Saw a few Flames take extra out of the way runs at him tonight. 8m sure alot of Flames liked him but publicly requesting a trade this early most likely rubbed a few wrong.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Hanifin turns 27 next month. Prime is pretty much over at the age Hanifin is approaching. You will likely get a couple near-prime years afterward.

ELC, max term deal, trade in final year, rinse and repeat. Augment the team with 1-year or 2-year veteran signings.

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/wh...poorly-so-fast

Wat? I was always told and believed defense man don't hit their prime till they are 27/28.
Defensive may be more offensively gifted before that but they mature into more of you know the Defensive side of things after that age .

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Kadri.

I don't think every one loved him . Saw a few Flames take extra out of the way runs at him tonight. 8m sure alot of Flames liked him but publicly requesting a trade this early most likely rubbed a few wrong.

Zadorov made the first move, he steamrolled Dube into the ice. Greer then tried to shove him back into Canucks bench later on.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I don’t think putting money first bothers teammates either. They understand this is a profession, and every guy in the league has to make hay while the sun shines. It’s only fans who (understandably) don’t like to acknowledge the mercenary nature of pro sports.

The players and organization didn't like how his request was made publicly and calculated when they were in TO and had a game to play the next day

its wasn't money or career ect.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

It might be different nowadays, but for the longest time the start of a defenseman's prime was considered 26-27.

Forwards a couple years earlier (although now with kids being much more NHL ready it's closer to 23 for forwards).

For top 4 type d-men, 27-32 is that period of time when they're at their peak performance. With how much they have to learn and fine tune, it makes sense.

Hanifin started pretty early and has a lot of miles already, comparatively speaking. So not sure how that'll affect his peak relative to age.

[GioforPM]

Aside from phenoms like Makar, Hughes or Dahlin, most top D are somewhere between 25 and 30, with a bunch over 30.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Kadri.

I don't think every one loved him . Saw a few Flames take extra out of the way runs at him tonight. 8m sure alot of Flames liked him but publicly requesting a trade this early most likely rubbed a few wrong.

I disagree, he just wanted a contract and some long term security. Guys understand these things and despite their opinions hang out together.

[Boreal]

Watch him resign here in the summer when he realizes the market for a 5/6 dman to play “more”.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Kadri.

I don't think every one loved him . Saw a few Flames take extra out of the way runs at him tonight. 8m sure alot of Flames liked him but publicly requesting a trade this early most likely rubbed a few wrong.

That doesn't mean anything.
You'd take an extra shot at a friend who just changed teams, that's just being competitive and having some fun.

Who knows what each player actually thinks of him. For that matter, who knows how much teammates ever really like each other, even when on the same team.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Kadri.

I don't think every one loved him . Saw a few Flames take extra out of the way runs at him tonight. 8m sure alot of Flames liked him but publicly requesting a trade this early most likely rubbed a few wrong.

I have no insight into whether he was well liked or not, but I don't think seeing a few flames take a few extra runs at him is evidence that he was unpopular. If I were playing a buddy, I would go out of my way to run him a few times. Are you even friends if you don't trash talk/give your buddies a hard time?

[Calgary4LIfe]

You can be sure that the trade request did rub guys the wrong way. Of course it would. It would still rub guys the wrong way if Zadorov went about it the right way and either spoke directly to Conroy behind closed doors asking for the trade, or had his agent do it for him in private, as it is still turning your back on your teammates. You most certainly don't throw that hand grenade at the team unless you have already spoken in private, and feel that the GM is not taking your request seriously.



However, the players had a closed door meeting, hashed it out, and moved past it. People can do things others don't agree with, and find a way to move past it. It certainly sounds like everyone who has spoken about Zadorov in the last week really likes him, and Zadorov went out of his way a few times to say that the guys in this locker room are his best friends for life. When you look at his trade request, and still see players talking about him positively, you know that his teammates generally really liked him.



I will not wish him well on a professional level for as long as he wears that ugly jersey, but I do wish him well with his personal life. He seems to be a genuinely good human being.



The 'taking runs at him' stuff has been covered above.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

You can be sure that the trade request did rub guys the wrong way. Of course it would. It would still rub guys the wrong way if Zadorov went about it the right way and either spoke directly to Conroy behind closed doors asking for the trade, or had his agent do it for him in private, as it is still turning your back on your teammates. You most certainly don't throw that hand grenade at the team unless you have already spoken in private, and feel that the GM is not taking your request seriously.



However, the players had a closed door meeting, hashed it out, and moved past it. People can do things others don't agree with, and find a way to move past it. It certainly sounds like everyone who has spoken about Zadorov in the last week really likes him, and Zadorov went out of his way a few times to say that the guys in this locker room are his best friends for life. When you look at his trade request, and still see players talking about him positively, you know that his teammates generally really liked him.



I will not wish him well on a professional level for as long as he wears that ugly jersey, but I do wish him well with his personal life. He seems to be a genuinely good human being.



The 'taking runs at him' stuff has been covered above.

Yes, his trade request rubbed players the wrong way. His comments a few weeks earlier also bothered some of them according to Pat Steinberg's comment on the radio the day of the trade (maybe it was someone on the radio with him but I'm sure it was Patty). It was reiterated that it didn't cause a divide in the room though but there was probably some awkwardness.

I suspect he was moved quickly because he asked to be traded and there was some concern that he wouldn't keep his mouth shut if something bothered him and they didn't want to risk that awkwardness becoming a problem.

[Flame On]

In my "head-canon" the way I see it going down is a bunch of players going into free agency, were holding out, turning down offers, holding the team at arms length. To the extent that the Flames org turned around and said "ok we're holding off all contract talks for now".

And Zadorov as a person that actively wanted to stay became annoyed that the ones holding things up meant the team wasn't committing to him, the one that actually wanted to be there.

It kind of annoys me that a bunch of players who aren't committed to the team are annoyed at another who was, but who wanted to move things forward.

This doesn't preclude me thinking it was very poorly timed by his agent, or that we really should have been giving him a retirement contract. I just believe this is the source of the friction.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flame On

In my "head-canon" the way I see it going down is a bunch of players going into free agency, were holding out, turning down offers, holding the team at arms length. To the extent that the Flames org turned around and said "ok we're holding off all contract talks for now".

And Zadorov as a person that actively wanted to stay became annoyed that the ones holding things up meant the team wasn't committing to him, the one that actually wanted to be there.

It kind of annoys me that a bunch of players who aren't committed to the team are annoyed at another who was, but who wanted to move things forward.

This doesn't preclude me thinking it was very poorly timed by his agent, or that we really should have been giving him a retirement contract. I just believe this is the source of the friction.

How exactly could you come to the conclusion it was Hanafin, Lindholm, or Tanev annoyed with the comments and trade request? Far more likely it was Backlund, Coleman, Andersson, Markstrom, etc that are Flames going forward, not the guys with one foot out the door. At the end of the day Zadorov is all about the money, no different than the other players.

[Textcritic]

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I see it going down quite differently:

Zadorov wanted long-term stability and a raise, and the Flames said "No."

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

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I see it going down quite differently:

Zadorov wanted long-term stability and a raise, and the Flames said "No."

He's in that grey area where he's a 5th defenseman that wants to get paid 2nd pairing money. I don't think the Flames had an appetite to give him a raise on a long term deal and I can't blame them.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

How exactly could you come to the conclusion it was Hanafin, Lindholm, or Tanev annoyed with the comments and trade request? Far more likely it was Backlund, Coleman, Andersson, Markstrom, etc that are Flames going forward, not the guys with one foot out the door. At the end of the day Zadorov is all about the money, no different than the other players.

Meh, fair point.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Buff

Yes, his trade request rubbed players the wrong way. His comments a few weeks earlier also bothered some of them according to Pat Steinberg's comment on the radio the day of the trade (maybe it was someone on the radio with him but I'm sure it was Patty). It was reiterated that it didn't cause a divide in the room though but there was probably some awkwardness.

I suspect he was moved quickly because he asked to be traded and there was some concern that he wouldn't keep his mouth shut if something bothered him and they didn't want to risk that awkwardness becoming a problem.

Steinberg may have said it. But for sure Francis referenced it. I think it was just a wekk before the trade request.