[Rumour] UPD: Jagr confirms Flames have interest in him.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It's interesting how he frames his monetary demands. He says money is a factor, but a big part of that is that he doesn't want to sign for so little that a team can feasibly take a roster spot away from him. I wonder if the hangup (in general, not necessarily just with Calgary) is that he wants a NMC.

This is the thing that erks me with some of these veteran players. Jagr says its not about money, but he wants to be paid enough, so no matter if he is bad, he is guaranteed a roster spot and gets his money.

I'm sorry but when you are a veteran near the end of your carreer, don't have a lot, if any, suitors then they should be signing PTO's. At most league minimum salaries with bonuses. They are the ones that need to prove they can still play. Management is not going to cut you if you deserve to be on the team.

[Poe969]

I think more teams are interested and there's a lot more going on than what we know. Also, Jagr is at the stage of his career that he really doesn't need to keep playing but if he is, he wants to make sure it's in the NHL not in the minors. Jagr will help any team and not just on the scoreboard and I think he knows that, he's going to kind of be a player/coach combo who will help the entire team out and he knows it. He's offering more than just his playing ability. If you want everything he has to offer as a player, let alone just the hype of him playing, he's going to want to get paid.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

This is the thing that erks me with some of these veteran players. Jagr says its not about money, but he wants to be paid enough, so no matter if he is bad, he is guaranteed a roster spot and gets his money.

I'm sorry but when you are a veteran near the end of your carreer, don't have a lot, if any, suitors then they should be signing PTO's. At most league minimum salaries with bonuses. They are the ones that need to prove they can still play. Management is not going to cut you if you deserve to be on the team.

The guy can still play though, that's proven. And I don't see what is exactly wrong with wanting a big piece of the marketing pie which is a big reason why you're paying him to come play for your team anyway. I'd love to know what the sales spike is on Jerseys when Jagr signs. He's iconic.if he wants a million more than he deserves, I'm all for it.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

This is the thing that erks me with some of these veteran players. Jagr says its not about money, but he wants to be paid enough, so no matter if he is bad, he is guaranteed a roster spot and gets his money.

I'm sorry but when you are a veteran near the end of your carreer, don't have a lot, if any, suitors then they should be signing PTO's. At most league minimum salaries with bonuses. They are the ones that need to prove they can still play. Management is not going to cut you if you deserve to be on the team.

But Jagr can still play. He had 46 points last year. Matthew Tkachuk only outscored 45 year old Jaromir Jagr by 2 points.

Jagr wants/wanted a reasonable amount of money for what he offers. 1 year, between 2-3M, hopefully closer to 2 than 3.

What he doesn't deserve is a PTO. He was 4th in team scoring last year - he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The guy can still play though, that's proven. And I don't see what is exactly wrong with wanting a big piece of the marketing pie which is a big reason why you're paying him to come play for your team anyway. I'd love to know what the sales spike is on Jerseys when Jagr signs. He's iconic.if he wants a million more than he deserves, I'm all for it.

My last jersey with a name and number on it was Joe Nieuwendyk. If Jagr signs with the Flames then I will get a Jagr jersey.

[JohnnyTitan]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I maintain my position on this

Signing Jagr now giving up nothing >> Trading assets or some of the Flames depleted picks to pick up a marginally better rental player at the deadline

The norm for Treliving though has not been to acquire rentals...but fixtures that are added to the core.

So what if he traded two of our near-blue-chip prospects for David Pasternak?

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by JohnnyTitan

The norm for Treliving though has not been to acquire rentals...but fixtures that are added to the core.

So what if he traded two of our near-blue-chip prospects for David Pasternak?

Like which 2? Plus we dont have enough cap to re up Pastrnak without moving cap. Bruins are in win now (with Chara, Bergeron, Marchand, Rask), so would likely mean a good roster player going other way so maybe redundant.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

How in the world did you interpret my post to mean what you are saying in bolded part?

I really fail to see what is not clear.

Are you looking for Foo to impress enough to merely squeak into a roster spot or are you looking for him to make an impact and help the Flames do something? If the kid somehow made the team (which he will not) for him to actually be of value to a contending team he would need to be down right dominant as far as a rookie standard goes.

If not, he is simply not going to be outperforming anyone on the roster, in the system or those available in FA like Jagr.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by JohnnyTitan

The norm for Treliving though has not been to acquire rentals...but fixtures that are added to the core.

So what if he traded two of our near-blue-chip prospects for David Pasternak?

But he's also talked about different phases - not spending assets acquiring rentals until the window is really open. His deadline approach will likely change over the next few years if the Flames are legitimately looking like contenders.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

What is this fascination with dreaming that the latest shiny toy in the closet can step in and dominate right away?

There is almost no chance Foo is ready to play 82 games at a higher level than the seasoned pro prospects in the Flames system like Klimchuk, Jankowski, Poirier or even a FA legend like Jagr. At least with these guys you know they have the system down and have a much better chance of standing up to the rigors of the pro game this year.

To top it off Foo would have to beat out these prospects in addition to proven NHL bodies like Ferland, Frolik, Versteeg, possibly Tkachuk for top 9 duty on the wing. Not gonna happen.

I think its unlikely Foo makes the team as well. However we should acknowledge he's older than Klimchuk, Janko and Poirier and thus arguably more developed than some of them. Good prospects coming out of 3-4 year college careers often step in right away or fairly quickly. Chris Drury did, Steven Reinprecht did, Jordan Leopold did. Not saying he's those guys but there's a lot of precedent for college players to step in more quickly than guys coming out of junior. Jankowski obviously is more NHL ready as he's done a full 4 years of college and a year of pro so even though he's younger than Foo I'd have him as more NHL ready. But Klimchuk and Poirier? Klimchuk has missed a ton of time in the past few years due to injury. Poirier missed part of last season and has struggled. I'd say Foo is way more NHL ready than either of those guys.

Guys who should be NHL ready? Jankowski, Hathaway, Kulak, Wotherspoon
Guys who may compete? Foo, Andersson

That's how I see it.

[Flashpoint]

Honest question - does anyone follow the Panthers closely enough to know why they didn't want Jagr back this season?

Or was it Jagr not wanting to go back?

[SmoggyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Honest question - does anyone follow the Panthers closely enough to know why they didn't want Jagr back this season?

Or was it Jagr not wanting to go back?

I feel like Cali Panthers Fan might be the best to ask that question. My theory is that, the youngsters like Barkov learned all they could from what Jagr was able to bring to the team. After seeing his production drop off in the latter half of the season, they maybe decided it was time to move forward in a different direction.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Guys who should be NHL ready? Jankowski, Hathaway, Kulak, Wotherspoon
Guys who may compete? Foo, Andersson

That's how I see it.

I keep hearing Andersson from people but the whole right/left thing has me doubtful.

He won't beat out Hamilton, Hamonic or Stone, and do you want him sitting? I think he has zero chance outside of playing so well they are forced to trade someone or an injury.

I think Kulak is inside track, Bartkowski vs Wotherspoon with Kylington the wild card. However once again Kylington would have to take them all out and nail down 6th or off to the AHL

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I keep hearing Andersson from people but the whole right/left thing has me doubtful.

He won't beat out Hamilton, Hamonic or Stone, and do you want him sitting? I think he has zero chance outside of playing so well they are forced to trade someone or an injury.

I think Kulak is inside track, Bartkowski vs Wotherspoon with Kylington the wild card. However once again Kylington would have to take them all out and nail down 6th or off to the AHL

I'm with you, I think Andersson is in tough due to him being a RHD. However you never know if injuries will happen and I happen to think he's more NHL ready than Kylington or Valimaki so that's why I put him where I did. If he blows everyone away perhaps they put two righties on the bottom pairing. But I'd say Kulak is the favourite to win that #6 role with Wotherspoon and Bartkowski the next favourites.

Kylington isn't NHL ready IMO. He doesn't possess NHL strength, consistency and defensive play yet. Great prospect but I think he needs at least another half year, probably more. No rush for him. I almost think Valimaki has a better chance of making the team than Kylington as I feel his game is a lot more mature. But I don't think either will make it.

I've basically already pencilled Kulak in personally. I think its his spot to lose. I think Wotherspoon vs Bartkowski should be an interesting battle.

[Otto-matic]

Kulak - its his spot to lose on the D-line. Wotherspoon really needs to have a good camp or this may be his last crack at making the Flames.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Kulak - its his spot to lose on the D-line. Wotherspoon really needs to have a good camp or this may be his last crack at making the Flames.

Wotherspoon has to come to camp and be better than Bartkowski. I think Andersson has to be better than all of them to make the team out of camp, but Spoon has one guy to beat and he's here full time.

Is he not one of the better analytic D in the AHL? Am I making that up?

[Vulcan]

If someone from the right side is injured, I expect Andersson to be called up. The only other option is to move Brodie back to the right side.

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

OK enough dman talk back to Jagr

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Gaudreau is a Ninja

OK enough dman talk back to Jagr

What about Jankowski?

Have we signed Boyd yet?

What can we get for Agostino? Maybe Crosby?

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Originally Posted by Locke

What about Jankowski?

Have we signed Boyd yet?

What can we get for Agostino? Maybe Crosby?

What is ole Dustin Boyd up to these days? Europe?