[Rumour] UPD: Jagr confirms Flames have interest in him.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

He won't do a PTO.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Par

What happens to Foo if Jagr signs here?

Clearly, we have to murder him.

[robaur]

Originally Posted by mikey008

Offer Jagr a PTO to start!

You don't insult a player like Jagr with a PTO. There is no understanding of honour in this world anymore.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Par

What happens to Foo if Jagr signs here?

If Foo makes the opening day roster the team has bigger problems to worry about than spending a little too much on Jagr. Kid needs some time to learn the pro game. Signing Jagr makes far too much sense with Bennett coming in at a reasonable hit.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

If Foo makes the opening day roster the team has bigger problems to worry about than spending a little too much on Jagr. Kid needs some time to learn the pro game. Signing Jagr makes far too much sense with Bennett coming in at a reasonable hit.

not if he earns it

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

If Foo makes the opening day roster the team has bigger problems to worry about than spending a little too much on Jagr...

These sorts of "if ... then" assertions really annoy me. If Foo is really good enough he could conceivably make the Flames on opening night, and it wouldn't be an indictment of the quality of the rest of the team.

I think he plays in Stockton, but I am not settled on that being the best outcome.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

These sorts of "if ... then" assertions really annoy me. If Foo is really good enough he could conceivably make the Flames on opening night, and it wouldn't be an indictment of the quality of the rest of the team.

I think he plays in Stockton, but I am not settled on that being the best outcome.

A team that is about to enter contender status should not need to press a college player like Foo to play in one of the top 3 RW positions during his first pro season even if he looks like he can handle it.....specifically straight out of training camp. A jump from playing 40 some games a year into the trenches against the best players in the world is very challenging and is only done by the best of the best prospects.

If your assessment is such that he would make the team only to play 4th line minutes then he would absolutely be better off doing what Jankowski (a much better prospect than Foo) did by playing a huge role in Stockton for a year....something that didn't hurt him at all.

As it stands now the Flames definitely need some extra punch on the wing. I'd rather risk Jagr at a low AAV for one year than rolling the dice on a kid like Foo even if he appears ready. In the long run he will be a much better player by eating some huge minutes in the AHL on what should be a very solid team.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

A team that is about to enter contender status should not need to press a college player like Foo to play in one of the top 3 RW positions during his first pro season even if he looks like he can handle it.....specifically straight out of training camp. A jump from playing 40 some games a year into the trenches against the best players in the world is very challenging and is only done by the best of the best prospects.

If your assessment is such that he would make the team only to play 4th line minutes then he would absolutely be better off doing what Jankowski (a much better prospect than Foo) did by playing a huge role in Stockton for a year....something that didn't hurt him at all.

As it stands now the Flames definitely need some extra punch on the wing. I'd rather risk Jagr at a low AAV for one year than rolling the dice on a kid like Foo even if he appears ready. In the long run he will be a much better player by eating some huge minutes in the AHL on what should be a very solid team.

But him making the team is not the same as pressing him to play. Having a young player impress in camp and make the team is about the best thing that could happen to these Flames. I don't really care who it is.

[robaur]

I think it's almost a guarantee that Foo starts in the AHL. Management have indicated as such. I would rank Jankowski as a better prospect than Foo and Jankowski played a full season in the AHL prior to now getting his shot at the NHL roster.

It's just wishful thinking that Foo can make the NHL roster from opening night. I suggest people not to set themselves for that line of thinking, because the chance of that happening is minimal.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by robaur

I think it's almost a guarantee that Foo starts in the AHL. Management have indicated as such. I would rank Jankowski as a better prospect than Foo and Jankowski played a full season in the AHL prior to now getting his shot at the NHL roster.

It's just wishful thinking that Foo can make the NHL roster from opening night. I suggest people not to set themselves for that line of thinking, because the chance of that happening is minimal.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by robaur

I think it's almost a guarantee that Foo starts in the AHL. Management have indicated as such. I would rank Jankowski as a better prospect than Foo and Jankowski played a full season in the AHL prior to now getting his shot at the NHL roster.

It's just wishful thinking that Foo can make the NHL roster from opening night. I suggest people not to set themselves for that line of thinking, because the chance of that happening is minimal.

Is that a fact? I seem to recall both Treliving and Craig Conroy suggesting that Foo could push for a spot in camp.

Like I said, I think Foo will almost certainly start in Stockton, but based on statements from management since he was signed I sure don't think it qualifies as "wishful thinking" to imagine that he might actually crack the Flames roster.

[keenan87]

Jags would be an amazing addition.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Bennett-Jagr
Versteeg-Backlund-Frolik
Lazar-Stajan-Brouwer
Hathaway

First players to be called up:
Foo and Jankowski

If only we can get rid of one of Stajan or Brouwer.. then one of the kids can take their spot

[djsFlames]

I maintain my position on this

Signing Jagr now giving up nothing >> Trading assets or some of the Flames depleted picks to pick up a marginally better rental player at the deadline

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

But him making the team is not the same as pressing him to play. Having a young player impress in camp and make the team is about the best thing that could happen to these Flames. I don't really care who it is.

What is this fascination with dreaming that the latest shiny toy in the closet can step in and dominate right away?

There is almost no chance Foo is ready to play 82 games at a higher level than the seasoned pro prospects in the Flames system like Klimchuk, Jankowski, Poirier or even a FA legend like Jagr. At least with these guys you know they have the system down and have a much better chance of standing up to the rigors of the pro game this year.

To top it off Foo would have to beat out these prospects in addition to proven NHL bodies like Ferland, Frolik, Versteeg, possibly Tkachuk for top 9 duty on the wing. Not gonna happen.

[Vinny01]

My ideal lines with Jagr:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Jagr
Tkachuk-Bennett-Ferland
Frolik-Backlund-Lazar
Versteeg-Jankowski-Brouwer
Stajan

Jagr as Ferland could be interchanged. I really like the truculence of the Bennett line which is why I start Ferland there.

The Flames believe in Lazar and want him to be successful so why not put him in the spot where so many of players (Bouma, Colborne, Bennett, Tkachuk) have thrived before?

Jankowski gets 2 experienced wingers to play with. Versteeg can make plays and Brouwer is also a lever of the team

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

My ideal lines with Jagr:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Jagr
Tkachuk-Bennett-Ferland
Frolik-Backlund-Lazar
Versteeg-Jankowski-Brouwer
Stajan

Jagr as Ferland could be interchanged. I really like the truculence of the Bennett line which is why I start Ferland there.

The Flames believe in Lazar and want him to be successful so why not put him in the spot where so many of players (Bouma, Colborne, Bennett, Tkachuk) have thrived before?

Jankowski gets 2 experienced wingers to play with. Versteeg can make plays and Brouwer is also a lever of the team

For me I really like the idea of putting Tkachuk with Monohan and Gaudreau on his off wing. He would give that line some definite grit with much more hockey sense and finishing ability than Ferland last year.

I'd also slide Bennett back to the wing with the Micheal's to get his offensive game going. Surrounding a rookie like Jankowski with two highly skilled and intelligent veteran wingers in Versteeg and Jagr would produce some serious magic as well.


Monohan - Gaudreau - Tkachuk
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Versteeg - Jankowski - Jagr
Lazar/Brouwer - Stajan - Ferland

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

But him making the team is not the same as pressing him to play. Having a young player impress in camp and make the team is about the best thing that could happen to these Flames. I don't really care who it is.

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

What is this fascination with dreaming that the latest shiny toy in the closet can step in and dominate right away?

There is almost no chance Foo is ready to play 82 games at a higher level than the seasoned pro prospects in the Flames system like Klimchuk, Jankowski, Poirier or even a FA legend like Jagr. At least with these guys you know they have the system down and have a much better chance of standing up to the rigors of the pro game this year.

To top it off Foo would have to beat out these prospects in addition to proven NHL bodies like Ferland, Frolik, Versteeg, possibly Tkachuk for top 9 duty on the wing. Not gonna happen.

How in the world did you interpret my post to mean what you are saying in bolded part?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I maintain my position on this

Signing Jagr now giving up nothing >> Trading assets or some of the Flames depleted picks to pick up a marginally better rental player at the deadline

Definitely. And having someone for full season >> deadline acquisition.

But there's risk with Jagr too and by the deadline you might find there are players available that are more than marginally better.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Someone should photoshop a flaming C on Milhouse and Jagr to Nelson.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

What is this fascination with dreaming that the latest shiny toy in the closet can step in and dominate right away?

There is almost no chance Foo is ready to play 82 games at a higher level than the seasoned pro prospects in the Flames system like Klimchuk, Jankowski, Poirier or even a FA legend like Jagr. At least with these guys you know they have the system down and have a much better chance of standing up to the rigors of the pro game this year.

To top it off Foo would have to beat out these prospects in addition to proven NHL bodies like Ferland, Frolik, Versteeg, possibly Tkachuk for top 9 duty on the wing. Not gonna happen.

To be honest I shake my head at organizations that have their minds made up to either extreme.

MacTavish famously giving a spot to Draisaitl before camp three years ago was complete stupidity, so I'm with you don't pencil anyone in.

But it's equally silly to have a view that a player won't make it before camp starts. Teams need to let chips fall where they fall and don't have roster written in pen before camp starts.

I didn't think Tkachuk would stick last year for example... Foo is no Tkachuk but if he beats everyone out for a top nine spot on the right side then go for it. If he falters you send him down later.

Minds open.