Uniformed Soldier Shot at War Memorial in Ottawa-R.I.P. Cpl. Cirillo

[skudr248]

I absolutely ####ing hate that his mother has any relevance to this and she is being brought up in the media. How would you like it if say you were a father and your kid did something crazy like this and your name being forever tarnished. #### this #### pisses me off.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by Slava

I guess, but you know, if the guy was born and raised in Canada then you can't send him anywhere, right? That poor mother though.

Poor mother?

Where are we sending him? Where he belongs!

By the way calling the soldier killed today a hero is an insult to every Canadian soldier that died in battle. Should we appreciate him for serving our country? Absolutely. Quantify your statement by saying all our troops that gave their lives are hero's and I can forgive you.

Poor mother? Poor mother of the fallen soldier, poor mother of all the people that ran scared as gun fire erupted. Scared mothers as their sons tried to take down this monster!

Poor mothers indeed. Get your head out of your ***!

You think for a second this mother did not know her son? She raised him?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

If your trying to make the point that people in Canada are getting murdered because of Israel, just say it. You will join countless other groups who have blamed the Jews for every problem.

Without that revisionist history, you will clearly see a massive battle between Sunnis and #####es, lack of human rights, lack of education and the obvious state sponsored hatred infesting the region. These are pretty clear root causes of what is going on.

Only once they provide respect for minorities, all sides, this won't stop.

As a nation and with our allies, Canada must continue doing what is right.

I wouldn't blame 'the Jews' as Israel and 'the Jews' are wholly seperate, nor would I blame Israel, that said I don't think supporting Israel is advantages to Canada, nor, since the invasion of Lebanon, particularly moral.
While I can empathize with Israel's dilemma I think that for a decade or more the Israeli right wing has done all it can to keep the conflict flowing in order to justify its policy of settlements and also swing voters, they are no better than the republicans that way.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Poor mother?

Where are we sending him? Where he belongs!

By the way calling the soldier killed today a hero is an insult to every Canadian soldier that died in battle. Should we appreciate him for serving our country? Absolutely. Quantify your statement by saying all our troops that gave their lives are hero's and I can forgive you.

Poor mother? Poor mother of the fallen soldier, poor mother of all the people that ran scared as gun fire erupted. Scared mothers as their sons tried to take down this monster!

Poor mothers indeed. Get your head out of your ***!

You think for a second this mother did not know her son? She raised him?

He was in his thirties had changed his name and converted to Islam, I'm not sure you can either blame mum or even assume she'd had any contact with him, in fact it's far likelier that his behaviour is in some pathetic way a rebellion against his upbringing, wouldn't doubt mum turns out to be a text book, slightly left leaning non religious liberal voter

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Poor mothers indeed. Get your head out of your ***!

You think for a second this mother did not know her son? She raised him?

What exactly are you saying here? That the mother in some way bears some responsibility to what happened today?

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by skudr248

I absolutely ####ing hate that his mother has any relevance to this and she is being brought up in the media. How would you like it if say you were a father and your kid did something crazy like this and your name being forever tarnished. #### this #### pisses me off.

Wow you are missing the point!

Mother raised her son. Taught him right from wrong. Holds a government job in immigration in Canada, during these troubled times.

You would be an absolute idiot not to question the family? Who taught this young man his values? Mom and Dad, or Isis? Or Both? Sorry people are raised and parents have a way bigger factor in life than a group like ISIS!

This is not to say this man did not have mental problems for the past ten years, or that the family tried so hard to get him help he needed.

You want to feel sorry for some one? Dead soldier with a mom and dad, probably some brothers and sisters, maybe a wife and kids too.

Mom is gonna be investigated for sure and rightfully so. I seriously hope guy had mental problems the family tired to correct. End of the day the story may end up being he went their to kill his mom! We don't know!

What we do know is a man is dead, a soldier, going to work like any other day doing nothing wrong. Gunned down in cold blood.

Last people I feel sorry for is the shooters family! Tarnished the family name? Now they have to live with it! Boo hoo. Talk to the family of the fallen soldier, take that argument to them right now and I bet you will need a visit to the hospital, after they give you their opinion on the subject.

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

By the way calling the soldier killed today a hero is an insult to every Canadian soldier that died in battle. Should we appreciate him for serving our country? Absolutely. Quantify your statement by saying all our troops that gave their lives are hero's and I can forgive you.

I'm loathe to quote an op/ed of The Province, but
http://www.theprovince.com/news/nati...835/story.html

Nathan Cirillo killed performing most eternal, soldiery duty — standing guard over one of his own

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I wouldn't blame 'the Jews' as Israel and 'the Jews' are wholly seperate, nor would I blame Israel, that said I don't think supporting Israel is advantages to Canada, nor, since the invasion of Lebanon, particularly moral.
While I can empathize with Israel's dilemma I think that for a decade or more the Israeli right wing has done all it can to keep the conflict flowing in order to justify its policy of settlements and also swing voters, they are no better than the republicans that way.

The Israeli invasion of Israel? What are you talking about? Something was immoral?

And you follow up with a conspiracy about Israel wanting the conflict?

Quick, blame Jews!

[saillias]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Wow you are missing the point!

Mother raised her son. Taught him right from wrong. Holds a government job in immigration in Canada, during these troubled times.

You would be an absolute idiot not to question the family? Who taught this young man his values? Mom and Dad, or Isis? Or Both? Sorry people are raised and parents have a way bigger factor in life than a group like ISIS!

This is not to say this man did not have mental problems for the past ten years, or that the family tried so hard to get him help he needed.

You want to feel sorry for some one? Dead soldier with a mom and dad, probably some brothers and sisters, maybe a wife and kids too.

Mom is gonna be investigated for sure and rightfully so. I seriously hope guy had mental problems the family tired to correct. End of the day the story may end up being he went their to kill his mom! We don't know!

What we do know is a man is dead, a soldier, going to work like any other day doing nothing wrong. Gunned down in cold blood.

Last people I feel sorry for is the shooters family! Tarnished the family name? Now they have to live with it! Boo hoo. Talk to the family of the fallen soldier, take that argument to them right now and I bet you will need a visit to the hospital, after they give you their opinion on the subject.

Nice high horse you got there, what if this was your kid, or brother? You show an outstanding lack of empathy

Edit: Oh right I guess that's your argument, they should have been super family, 100% available, 100% there to help him through all rough times. Because life is perfect like that.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by Bagor

What exactly are you saying here? That the mother in some way bears some responsibility to what happened today?

Are you a parent of a child?

You raise a child and teach them. Teach them right from wrong.

Parents influence is great. Are the parents of the shooter responsible for the actions of today? Absolutely. legally responsible? Absolutely not, not without further information though.

What happened today was not some kid stealing candy from walmart and getting busted. Kids will be kids. Guy gunned down a honor guard at a memorial in cold blood, then proceeded to the hill to do God knows what.

You obviously are not a parent. If you were you would not ask such a question. Are parents responsible for their kids? my parents are 68 and 66, and feel responsible for my actions till this day. Should they be punished for my actions? NO! Yet what I learned so much in life came from them!

[ranchlandsselling]

Just an fyi, I've been ignoring troll like posts and just clicking the "report post" button. Let the mods choose to delete or leave. No point arguing as it just ruins the thread. Suggest people give it a try.

[metallicat]

@ivisonj

Sources suggest the 90 Canadian suspects who joined, or tried to join, ISIS are being rounded up tonight.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by saillias

Nice high horse you got there, what if this was your kid, or brother? You show an outstanding lack of empathy

A nutcase guns down a guy doing his job and I lack empathy for the shooters family. Reporter gets beheaded and I lack empathy for the guy doing the beheadings family?

Wow, just wow!

As for being my kid, or brother doing these crimes? High horse? You don't know me, I have dealt with this more than you could possibly imagine in life. Families of murders struggle greatly, no where near the struggle of a family that loses a member to violence like this. You want that conversation take it to PM.

You tell me I lack empathy! I am upset people are saying the poor mother of the shooter/Killer/murderer. How about the poor mother of the guy that he killed? How many posts don't talk about her grief? Empathy, how about you show some damn respect for the family that just lost a son! Killed by another families son. I feel for people tonight, not the killers family though.

I care about the victims!

[ranchlandsselling]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

@ivisonj

Sources suggest the 90 Canadian suspects who joined, or tried to join, ISIS are being rounded up tonight.

Good, giddy up, no reason they should be allowed to wander freely.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

A nutcase guns down a guy doing his job and I lack empathy for the shooters family. Reporter gets beheaded and I lack empathy for the guy doing the beheadings family?

Wow, just wow!

As for being my kid, or brother doing these crimes? High horse? You don't know me, I have dealt with this more than you could possibly imagine in life. Families of murders struggle greatly, no where near the struggle of a family that loses a member to violence like this. You want that conversation take it to PM.

You tell me I lack empathy! I am upset people are saying the poor mother of the shooter/Killer/murderer. How about the poor mother of the guy that he killed? How many posts don't talk about her grief? Empathy, how about you show some damn respect for the family that just lost a son! Killed by another families son. I feel for people tonight, not the killers family though.

I care about the victims!

Dude, you should step back from the keyboard for a bit. You're actually contradicting yourself you're so worked up.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Are you a parent of a child?

You raise a child and teach them. Teach them right from wrong.

Parents influence is great. Are the parents of the shooter responsible for the actions of today? Absolutely. legally responsible? Absolutely not, not without further information though.

What happened today was not some kid stealing candy from walmart and getting busted. Kids will be kids. Guy gunned down a honor guard at a memorial in cold blood, then proceeded to the hill to do God knows what.

You obviously are not a parent. If you were you would not ask such a question. Are parents responsible for their kids? my parents are 68 and 66, and feel responsible for my actions till this day. Should they be punished for my actions? NO! Yet what I learned so much in life came from them!

That you are unable to feel any sort of compassion for the mother is your business and I'm not going to judge you on it but to try and take this self righteous bs moral high ground where you judge and scorn those that can won't cut it. You can wow! and ask me questions then answer them for yourself all you want then tell me how super duper your parents are but the fact of the matter is this.

I feel sorry for the lady, I feel compassion for the lady. You won't change that feeling. Accept it. You can waste all the energy you want, you can try and dump guilt and shame all you want but it's worthless because at the end of the day, I won't wear it .. you won't change a thing. Deal with it.

I am sorry for what she has to suffer just as I am sorry for the family of the victim. It's a sad affair all around.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

A nutcase guns down a guy doing his job and I lack empathy for the shooters family. Reporter gets beheaded and I lack empathy for the guy doing the beheadings family?

Wow, just wow!

As for being my kid, or brother doing these crimes? High horse? You don't know me, I have dealt with this more than you could possibly imagine in life. Families of murders struggle greatly, no where near the struggle of a family that loses a member to violence like this. You want that conversation take it to PM.

You tell me I lack empathy! I am upset people are saying the poor mother of the shooter/Killer/murderer. How about the poor mother of the guy that he killed? How many posts don't talk about her grief? Empathy, how about you show some damn respect for the family that just lost a son! Killed by another families son. I feel for people tonight, not the killers family though.

I care about the victims!

What's wrong with caring about both?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

@ivisonj

Sources suggest the 90 Canadian suspects who joined, or tried to join, ISIS are being rounded up tonight.

I'd like to see them go after the people and the scholars that are recruiting them.

If it links to specific Mosques then maybe its time that we padlock those doors.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

@ivisonj

Sources suggest the 90 Canadian suspects who joined, or tried to join, ISIS are being rounded up tonight.

I wonder what legally changed that allows them to arrest them now. Listening to the CBC podcast The House last week they were talking about this group, and saying they couldn't arrest them because they hadn't technically committed any crimes. I want to re-listen it to remember exactly what they were saying, but if these sources are correct, it shows that this might have been part of a larger plan then, or they are just using this incidence as evidence that others were complicit in the attacks.

[robaur]

Chubeyr1 is posting short-sighted and ridiculous crap that i refuse to quote.

i feel sad for both families involved. the family of the victim don't deserve this as they lost a son and the family of the shooter don't deserve this as none of this is their fault...and theyre stuck not only questioning themselves as to whether they could have helped their family member but also getting scrutinized and judged by everyone else across the world.

its a ####ty situation for all families involved. no family would like to be on either side.

god bless these individuals affected today !