What ward to you live in?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by WilsonFourTwo

I'm probably going to get burned at the stake for this but, I'd be OK with it going through Weaselhead.

I would really, really, really prefer that not happen, but if it's the only way to get the road built by 3050 AD, so be it. That said - I'm a spiteful little miscreant, and insist that the roadway be built to make it damn near impossible to get into that Casino.....

I live about 250m from the Glenmore/37th Street intersection.

I feel exactly the same way actually. I just think that if no deal can be done in the shorter term than we can't sit around discussing this for the next few decades.

I also think that the speed limit would make an exit to go into that casino unsafe (I prefer no stop lights, specifically for one business interest). Unfortunately that might mean that someone would have to arrrange access another way.

[malcolmk14]

Wow lots of people from Ward 12.

I'm from Ward 6.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Shazam

She seemed to have run out of ideas and she's not very nice in person, but I'd still hit it.

Her campaign office is around the corner from me. I should volunteer to stuff her envelopes.

[WilsonFourTwo]

Originally Posted by nik-

Paying twice as much as necessary? According to who, Rick Bell? The other bridge that went through all of your desired channels is going to cost the same amount.

OK - the word "Necessary" was probably the wrong choice. Let's go with "Expected". As for according to who......according to ME. You may not care where your tax money is being spent, but I sure as hell do. So here's my viewpoint, so you're clear on it.

1. There was absolutely ZERO public outcry for a pedestrian bridge at this location. There are bridges ~250, 500 and 1000 meters away from the proposed site.
2. The decision is made to build a pedestrian bridge anyway. Justification for the bridge is not initially given. Later, it's called a 'Tourist attraction' and eventually a 'Memorial/Honor to those in uniform'.
3. Instead of a 'typical' bridge that would run around $10 million, the decision is made to make the bridge a single span, effectively doubling the cost. This decision is primarily made for "Safety" reasons, because some river goers get hung up on the pilings.

So.....not only are we building a bridge that nobody really wanted and that we don't really need, but we're going to spend more money than we have to. (I won't even add in the other stuff about single-sourcing, locking out local talent, etc, etc) All of this takes place in a year where the city runs a $50+ Million deficit and tells us that the taxes are being raised.

I really don't enjoy being angry, but I can't see a single reason why I should feel any other way about this project. I would love for someone to give me a logical reason why I support this construction.

As for the St. Patrick's Island bridge......I still think removing the pilings "For safety" on these bridges is silly, but there's no doubt that a new pedestrian bridge is required in that area as part of the revitalization effort. Add that the the city is essentially paying for it out of it's own coffers, and I don't really care that much (I do, but I don't.....)

One final thought though - what I find funny about the St. Patrick's Island is that since the city is footing the bill for the bridge, ALL of their rules are being followed, and a commonsense approach being taken. Why could this have not happened when they were spending MY money?

[WilsonFourTwo]

Originally Posted by Slava

I feel exactly the same way actually. I just think that if no deal can be done in the shorter term than we can't sit around discussing this for the next few decades.

I also think that the speed limit would make an exit to go into that casino unsafe (I prefer no stop lights, specifically for one business interest). Unfortunately that might mean that someone would have to arrrange access another way.

I'll be honest.....I would intentionally exclude access to the Casino. The casino can arrange transport via hot air balloon for all I care.

Give a bit = Get a lot. Give nothing = Get nothing.

The Tsuu T'ina (not the leadership per se, but certainly the voting membership) has been uncooperative on the issue for almost as long as I've been alive. If we have to make alternate arrangements because they don't wish to participate, then they should receive zero benefit from it.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by WilsonFourTwo

3. Instead of a 'typical' bridge that would run around $10 million, the decision is made to make the bridge a single span, effectively doubling the cost. This decision is primarily made for "Safety" reasons, because some river goers get hung up on the pilings.

And yet again .... where are you getting this information?

Stop assuming what the cost of a "regular" bridge is.

[Mccree]

Ward 3. I really do not want to hear about the airport tunnel again. I would like for transit options for the Northern Hills Area.

[MarchHare]

So.....not only are we building a bridge that nobody really wanted and that we don't really need, but we're going to spend more money than we have to. (I won't even add in the other stuff about single-sourcing, locking out local talent, etc, etc) All of this takes place in a year where the city runs a $50+ Million deficit and tells us that the taxes are being raised.

You should research the source of funding for the pedestrian bridge. I'll give you a hint: it did not come from general municipal funds, it did not contribute to the budget deficit at City Hall, and it did not play any factor in property taxes going up. If you're going to be angry about it, the least you could do is get your facts straight.

[WilsonFourTwo]

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[nik-]

Originally Posted by WilsonFourTwo

My information was from every friggin' news source in the city. When the story first broke, you couldn't go five minutes without having Global, CBC, The Sun, The Herald talking about the doubling of costs. It no secret that making a more technically challenging bridge cost significantly more.

I don't believe for a second that I am wrong about the costs, but let's say that I am. You haven't explained to me why I should be happy about the bridge. I outlined a pretty clear argument as to why I feel Calgarians got screwed, but you seem far too interested in being a Know-it-all than in explaining why this is a good expenditure at a good time. I'd love it if you'd enlighten us all.

You got sucked into the media hysteria. Show me where someone provided the numbers of what a bridge over the river would cost. Not just assumed numbers by an Opinion column writer.

[Table 5]

I don't believe for a second that I am wrong about the costs, but let's say that I am. You haven't explained to me why I should be happy about the bridge. I outlined a pretty clear argument as to why I feel Calgarians got screwed, but you seem far too interested in being a Know-it-all than in explaining why this is a good expenditure at a good time.

Doesn't sound to me like you're really that interested in a reason. Like most people, you're pretty set in your stance no matter what proof he provides to the contrary.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Slava

I feel exactly the same way actually. I just think that if no deal can be done in the shorter term than we can't sit around discussing this for the next few decades.

I understand the dilemma, but the Weaselhead truly is one of the great natural parts of Calgary (even if its because of the Reservoir) that ads greatly to the outdoor lifestyle of most Calgarians. I think it must be protected no matter what. It seems like such a shame to destroy it (and putting a highway, no matter how "nice", in in there would basically kill any of the natural ambiance) just to ease traffic.

The only way I would be supportive is if the route was tunneled.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I understand the dilemma, but the Weaselhead truly is one of the great meet-up places for anonymous gay sex

fyp

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Table 5

The only way I would be supportive is if the route was tunneled.

Doubt it, there are a bunch of underground aquifers that run below/around the Elbow..... so no dice, unless you want to ruin the supply to the reservoir

[BurningYears]

One of the few from Ward 4 which is kind of surprising since it seems to cover alot of area, I guess not too many coyotes in nose hill have internet access.

Not too sure who I'm gonna vote for yet and there seems to be 3-4 solid candidates in the area.

On a related note I was riding my bike home yesterday and went by a house with a truck with a big sign for Jane Morgan in the truck bed. At first sight I thought I saw Joe Morgan. haha

[Table 5]

Greydanus or bust.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by BurningYears

One of the few from Ward 4 which is kind of surprising since it seems to cover alot of area, I guess not too many coyotes in nose hill have internet access.

Not too sure who I'm gonna vote for yet and there seems to be 3-4 solid candidates in the area.

Cool. Wondering if you could take a momenet to complete my online survey for Ward 4 residents.

www.jane4ward4.com It's in the drop down menu under "issues".

Thanks

On a related note I was riding my bike home yesterday and went by a house with a truck with a big sign for Jane Morgan in the truck bed. At first sight I thought I saw Joe Morgan. haha

LOL, well that's better than what Fotze was seeing in 2007.

You must live close to me.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by nik-

And yet again .... where are you getting this information?

Stop assuming what the cost of a "regular" bridge is.

There are a few good examples here:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/programs/env...ridges-248.htm

Originally Posted by MarchHare

You should research the source of funding for the pedestrian bridge. I'll give you a hint: it did not come from general municipal funds, it did not contribute to the budget deficit at City Hall, and it did not play any factor in property taxes going up. If you're going to be angry about it, the least you could do is get your facts straight.

If you are referring to the Peace Bridge, its funding is coming from MSI.

Where do you think MSI money comes from?


I think we need a new bridge thread....

[BurningYears]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Cool. Wondering if you could take a momenet to complete my online survey for Ward 4 residents.

www.jane4ward4.com It's in the drop down menu under "issues".

Thanks



LOL, well that's better than what Fotze was seeing in 2007.

You must live close to me.

I suppose I can represent. ha what was he seeing? and I live in that big yellow condo building right on Mcknight next to the A&W

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by First Lady

I think we need a new bridge thread....

I think we need to shut up about the bridge and get over it. It's being built and finished this year. Stop the whining about it. In a few years we won't even be talking about it unless we're talking about sightlines.