CFL vs NFL vs NCAA

[Jason14h]

It is more exciting to watch NFL 90% of the time.... Know why? ALL THE GAMES ARE ON ONE DAY!

You have the option of choosing the best game to watch every week on one day. If the Pats are blowing someone out, you can change channels to a close exciting game. If the Riders are blowing out Winnipeg, you change to something else.

Since the CFL has so few teams, there is a good chance the game may suck on any given day (Similar to Monday Night Football, although they usually try to schedule great games)

Anyone who watched the Stamps/Esks game and tries to say NFL football is more exciting is full of it.

Lets look at these "Exciting" games from this weeekend:

Pitts 13, Titans 10 - First game, two GREAT teams. Low scoring but good! 7.5/10

Fins 7 Atl 19 - Fins got 1 DST TD! And Atl wasn't playing entertaining D. Doubt ANYONE watched this game who doesn't cheer for these teams... Even if you bet on em! 3/10

Broncos 12 Cincy 7. OMG I almost killed myself watching parts of this game. Unless every other game was on a commercial, and I didn't need a beer and had food, this game would never be watched. Amazing ending.... That was based on more incompitence. If this was you first NFL game you would probably quit watching the sport. 1/10

Vikings 34 Browns 20. Really was 34-13 and over early 3rd quarter. Adrian Peterson highlight were good though while I watched other games. Game 4/10, AP 11/10

Colts 14 Jags 12. Hey at least it was close so I had something to watch in the morning! Not great, but worth watching the 4th quarter. 6/10

Saints 45 Lions 27. I kept turning to this game, cause it's almost commical how easily Brees picked apart Det. 0-8 to start? Good chance. Entertaining, but pathetic. 2/10

Comboys 34 Bucs 21. One of the better games, despite the score. Bucs just don't have the horses this year. Still a blowout though. 5.5/10

Eagles 38 Panthers 10. Is there a rating below zero. And people make fun of CFL games? 0/10

Cheifs 24 Ravens. It was funny that the Chiefs got their first first down with 2 mins left in the half, and were only down 3. Stayed closed, but really..... You score a blocked punt TD, return an INT to the 5, don't turn the ball over and still loose by 14 and give up 500 yards....PATHETIC 4/10

Jets 24 Texans 7. Are the Jets that good or Texans that bad? Another game It pained me even to turn too. 3/10

Redskins 17 Giants 23. Was getting Edo and missed half of it. Score flattered the Skins from what I heard. No score avail.

49ers 20 Cards 16. Good game. Probably the most professionally played game of the day by both teams. 8/10

Rams 0 Seahawks 28. Anyone watch any of the second half? 2/10

Sure we didn't have the Pats or SD play yesterday, but I can honestly say I don't think there was more then 2 or 3 WATCHABLE games yesterday, let alone good. Can you imagine if only one or two of these games were on, and back to back? Well that's what happens in the CFL. If the only game on isn't good, you leave with the idea CFL sucks and the teams are incompitent. However, as evident yesterday, the NFL has just as many terrible games, but more to choose from!

(For the record I have Sunday Ticket and watch 10 hrs of football a week easily! I LOVE NFL! But lets not pretend the games are magically better!)

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Pastiche

Well, I like my sports to be exciting at the end of the game. Hockey is very exciting at the end of the game because a close game isn't over until it's over. CFL is the same, so is basketball.

NFL, you have a game that's separated by 2 points and there's 1:20 left and the game is over? You say you don't mind that. So over the course of the game you get excitement over the game's clock management and coaching? Did you glee when Jacksonville used their last timeout? Wow that was pretty exciting I'll tell you. Jeez, that was way better than a close game going down to the last second.

And by the way, the CFL rewards defensive just fine. You stop the team, you get the ball back. That's all the reward you need.

I think the article I quoted applies here.

Yes I do enjoy that. You can't manufacture close finishes.

JAX had a chance to stop IND on 3rd down to get the ball back and they failed. Why should they get more chances?

Clock management brings many more interesting factors into the game. When to throw, when to run, when to use timeouts, when to challenge, when to stay in bounds or run out of bounds etc etc..

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by worth

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And to people bringing up the Rouge, I don't know how many times i've said this. I've lost count.

The Rouge is not a reward for missing a field goal. The rouge is there because the defending team failed to get the ball out of their end zone.

If you kick a fieldgoal and miss and the defending team returns the ball out of the end zone, there is no single point. Therefore, how can this be a "reward" for missing a fieldgoal?

Once the ball is kicked, the play isn't over. If the fieldgoal is missed, the ball is still live. If it is still live, the defending team must return it out of the endzone. If the offence happens to be close enough to kick it though the back of the end zone, then that's too bad for the defence.

People who continually refer to this rule as "rewarding failure" are off base.

What an incredibly piss-poor, slanted article. Doug Flutie better than Steve Young and Brett Favre? Laughable. And I love how he brings up NFL castoffs as an example of NFL players failing in the CFL. The guys he mentioned failed in the NFL first and that's why they even had a chance at failing in the CFL. They were terrible players.

Gizmo and Pinball? I'll raise you an Eric Metcalf, Brian Mitchell, and Devin Hester.

[transplant99]

Well, I like my sports to be exciting at the end of the game

Then you must of loved the NFL this week....

Pittsburgh wins in OT.

Denver throws an 87 yd TD pass with 12 seconds left in the game....to win.

GB throws a 50 yd TD pass with just over a minute left...to win.

Arz and the Skins both get the ball with less than 3 minutes remaining, but cant get into the end zone to take the lead. Unless its only exciting IF the team scores in these two cases.

[cyclone3483]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I don't mind that. NFL is about clock management and coaching. JAX used all their timeouts and their defense couldn't stop IND from getting first downs so they lost. That's what mades 3rd downs crucial. You fail to stop a team on third down you lose over 2 minutes.

CFL sometimes tries to put in too many plays thus not rewarding defense.

I personally pay to see football, not chess. With a 35 second play clock and not having to play the last play as time expires, American football games have far fewer plays per game than the Canadian game. 151 in CFL (2005 average) vs. about 125 in NFL. In addition, NFL rules around fair catch, downing punts, and no wide field goal returns reduce the action on the special teams plays.

How many times have you watched a close NFL game and said it was over with 1:30 left? You can not say that in the CFL, exciting to the finish.

NFL has more intensity, speed and hard hitting due to the generally superior ability of it's players, but give me a game where the conclusion is not a formality with 2 minutes left.

[transplant99]

and no wide field goal returns reduce the action on the special teams plays.

Not true at all...in fact the longest play in NFL history, 109 yds, was off a missed FG.

The previous record for the longest play was 108 yards, also missed field goal returns, shared by Chicago teammates Devin Hester and Nathan Vasher and a kickoff return by New England's Ellis Hobbs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3094481

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Then you must of loved the NFL this week....

Pittsburgh wins in OT.

Denver throws an 87 yd TD pass with 12 seconds left in the game....to win.

GB throws a 50 yd TD pass with just over a minute left...to win.

Arz and the Skins both get the ball with less than 3 minutes remaining, but cant get into the end zone to take the lead. Unless its only exciting IF the team scores in these two cases.

So 5/14 games were remotely interesting at the end?

In the CFL this week 3/4 games were decided in the final minute.

Pittsburgh wins because of a coin toss, Bronco/Bengals before that last minute touchdown was approaching baseball level boredomness, and the 50 yard GB pass was only exceptional because they actually ran a CFL play.

And yes scoring in those 2 cases would be WAY more exciting.

[GirlySports]

I'm not sure the NFL style of play itself is boring, there are just too many bad teams and bad coaches in the NFL.

You have a 32 team league and maybe 10 good teams? So you're going to get alot of dud games like Denver/Cincinati.

Again I like fair catches and downing punts. Punters should be rewarded for punting strong and high. I like guys flying into the endzone trying to knock the ball back.

In the CFL a punter punts it a mile high, he teammates race down the field and have to wait... and wait.. there's no distinction between a good or bad punt. I know it's a small aspect of the game, but I like details like that

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So out of curiousity, in general when a team is driving down the field with a chance to win the game, are you always cheering for the game winning score?

I'm usually cheering for the QB to get stuffed.

[Pastiche]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Yes I do enjoy that. You can't manufacture close finishes.

What? This is the thing that really gets me. I think that most NFL fans are conditioned to think that playing until the end of the game is somehow a bad thing. How is it manufacturing a close finish when both teams play until the end?

Clock management brings many more interesting factors into the game. When to throw, when to run, when to use timeouts, when to challenge, when to stay in bounds or run out of bounds etc etc..

Clock management happens in both sports. Only difference is that it is way more important in the NFL. I would prefer my games were decided more by, you know, making plays? Instead of these "interesting factors" that you mention.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I'm not sure the NFL style of play itself is boring, there are just too many bad teams and bad coaches in the NFL.

You have a 32 team league and maybe 10 good teams? So you're going to get alot of dud games like Denver/Cincinati.

And in the CFL you have 8 teams - 1 good team (Montreal) and the rest are all about the same.

In MLB, you look at the standings and how many teams have a chance, total? 10-14? How many bad games to you get? Pittsburgh, Washington, Baltimore, Toronto, etc...

In hockey, how many bad teams/coaches are there? How many dud games are you going to get? Edmonton v. Colorado 6 times a year. Tampa v. Florida 6 times a year. Awesome.

Basketball, same thing.

[GirlySports]

I think you're agreeing with me.

I'm arguing against those who say NFL is boring because there were so many bad games yesterday.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Pastiche

What? This is the thing that really gets me. I think that most NFL fans are conditioned to think that playing until the end of the game is somehow a bad thing. How is it manufacturing a close finish when both teams play until the end?



Clock management happens in both sports. Only difference is that it is way more important in the NFL. I would prefer my games were decided more by, you know, making plays? Instead of these "interesting factors" that you mention.

1. Because the team that's behind always gest more and more chances to come back so you're manufacturing a close finish. It's harder for a good team to put the game away if the clock doesn't run as much right?

2. That's fine. I didn't say I disliked that. Sometimes the NFL pisses me off too cause there's like only 15 minutes of actual play. But I do like the strategy more.

[transplant99]

In the CFL this week 3/4 games were decided in the final minute.

Thats nice...but you and i both know that is not the norm. Funny you left out the other 45 pt blowout though.

Pittsburgh wins because of a coin toss,

No...they won because they got the ball, went down the field and scored.

Bronco/Bengals before that last minute touchdown was approaching baseball level boredomness

Says you....it was defensive game....i happen to like defense first football as much as throwing it around for 60 minutes.

and the 50 yard GB pass was only exceptional because they actually ran a CFL play.

LOL..what??? I have no idea what you mean.

And yes scoring in those 2 cases would be WAY more exciting.

Why? Unless you are a fan of one of those two teams...why is it MORE exciting only if they score? Makes no sense.

Im a big CFL fan...but anyone dropping the hammer on the NFL in attempt to suggest it is a better game needs to give it up. They are different games for sure, but beyond that, the NFL wins hands down as far as popularity and interest, player abilities, and most importantly stability.

[Jason14h]

Says you....it was defensive game....i happen to like defense first football as much as throwing it around for 60 minutes.

That wasn't a defensive game. Tennesse and Pitts was defensive. Colts and Jags were defensive. That game was two terrible offenses playing each other! Cincy had the least pts last year and lost their #1 WR, and Broncos lost their QB and best WR is a jackass.

You can't truely believe that was watching a defensive game

[Clever_Iggy]

Are those that find the CFL more exciting because more points are scored the same types that the NHL is pandering to by tweaking the rules to increase scoring?

I always thought the counter argument to those who want more goals in the NHL was that they did not know enough about the sport to appreciate what it takes to play sound defensive hockey. Maybe it applies to football as well?

[You Need a Thneed]

I must say, I rule that the NFL does better than the CFL is the timing in the last few minutes. The CFL, the rules for timing change after the three minute warning. In the NFL, it's all the same.

That's why timeouts are important in the NFL, why team want to keep them. In the NFL, if your team is losing and out of timeouts, and the other team gains a first down with 2:39 on the clock, you are offically done, as the other team can kneel down three times.

In the CFL, you will see teams that are losing by one score punt the ball away with a minute and a half left. In the NFL, teams should almost never do so, even with 4 minutes left on the clock. You have to value the opportunities you have to score much more in the NFL.

[flip]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

I must say, I rule that the NFL does better than the CFL is the timing in the last few minutes. The CFL, the rules for timing change after the three minute warning. In the NFL, it's all the same.

That's why timeouts are important in the NFL, why team want to keep them. In the NFL, if your team is losing and out of timeouts, and the other team gains a first down with 2:39 on the clock, you are offically done, as the other team can kneel down three times.

In the CFL, you will see teams that are losing by one score punt the ball away with a minute and a half left. In the NFL, teams should almost never do so, even with 4 minutes left on the clock. You have to value the opportunities you have to score much more in the NFL.

That is a pretty biased post.

The biggest difference IMO, with regards to timekeeping, is that the CFL doesn't "waste" as much time as the NFL. The NFL has SOOOO much dead time and keeps the clock running way too much, that it makes it easy to "kill" time in the NFL and it is nearly impossible to kill time in the CFL.

IMO, nothing shows this better than the Stamps vs Riders game from last month.

Riders scored to go ahead with about 1:16 left on the clock. We stopped the Stamps once, but once we got the ball back the Riders failed to advance the ball and because there are no "wasted" seconds in the CFL the Stamps got another opportunity.

In the NFL there are so many wasted seconds that there is a much, much lower amount of points that a team can come back from. Down by more than 1 touchdown in the NFL with 5 mins left means game over 99.9% of the time.

Down by more than 1 touchdown in the CFL with 90s to play and the game is still up in the air.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Thats nice...but you and i both know that is not the norm. Funny you left out the other 45 pt blowout though.



No...they won because they got the ball, went down the field and scored.



Says you....it was defensive game....i happen to like defense first football as much as throwing it around for 60 minutes.



LOL..what??? I have no idea what you mean.



Why? Unless you are a fan of one of those two teams...why is it MORE exciting only if they score? Makes no sense.

Im a big CFL fan...but anyone dropping the hammer on the NFL in attempt to suggest it is a better game needs to give it up. They are different games for sure, but beyond that, the NFL wins hands down as far as popularity and interest, player abilities, and most importantly stability.

I left out the banjo bowl because it was not decided in the last minute. If it was then i would have put 4/4. hehe

NFL OT needs a change then. 80% of OT's are won by the team winning the coin toss. Why not let the teams play it out instead of chancing it on a flip of a coin.

They must have overhauled both the Bengals and the Broncos because they were not defensive giants last year. I never watched the game but i'm sure it was not the defense playing great but rather the offenses playing poorly.

Lets be honest here. Of course the NFL is going to win in popularity and interest because the US pop is 20 times that of Canada's. They are going to have stability because of that huge tv contract which in turn gives them the better players because they get paid way more.

I'd rather watch a game where the ending of the game is exciting, rather than clock management and time outs and kneel downs to end the game. And enough with the commercials!

[jammies]

I was over at my parents' on Sunday and my dad was watching a couple NFL games - I noticed two dropped balls that were right in the hands; one guy so wide open on a blown coverage that he could've run up into the stands, grabbed a beer from a vendor, and ran back on the field and still been able to catch the ball; and many, many missed tackles. Pardon me while I laugh at the idea these guy don't make as many mistakes as in the CFL, week 1 or not. These guys have played football before, right?

On the plus side, there was a huge (65+ yards) punt that outkicked the downfield coverage and I actually got to see a great punt return where the returner made some guys miss and generated some excitement. On the minus side, I also got to see two guys on the cover team stand there watching a punt bounce around on the turf at the 2 yard line until it stopped moving, after which they touched it to end the play. Ooh, exciting.

My dad admitted he fell asleep during the Stamps game and missed the end of it, though, so I didn't bring up the NFL vs CFL argument with him, 'cause I think that indicates where he stands on that issue....

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

NFL OT needs a change then. 80% of OT's are won by the team winning the coin toss. Why not let the teams play it out instead of chancing it on a flip of a coin.

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That's not accurate.

And yes, the Broncos D was completely overhauled. 8 new starters and a change from the 4-3 to the 3-4.