CFL vs NFL vs NCAA

[GirlySports]

I'm not sure there's much argument now after watching this Ti-Cats-Argos game

[calgaryrocks]

what? this is like the nfl game last night, low scoring, close finish (although the end of reg in this game is much better than last nights), and some overtime.
cmon ticats!

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by calgaryrocks

what? this is like the nfl game last night, low scoring, close finish (although the end of reg in this game is much better than last nights), and some overtime.
cmon ticats!

Yeah, except the NFL game was low-scoring because of the defenses, not the ineptness of the offenses.

[Sainters7]

I like all 3 but the NFL is no question my favourite. I love NCAA ball, but I can't get into it on the same level as the NFL because the BCS system pisses me off. I still remember in 2004 when an undefeated Auburn team didn't even get a sniff at the national championship game. How does a team that goes through an SEC sked undefeated automatically get no shot?? Replace it with a 4-8 team play-off system and it'd be incredible. And I don't think any NFL stadium could match the atmosphere at the Swamp, The Big House, Happy Valley, etc.

I grew up on the CFL so I'll always love it, and when I finally do get back to Calgary for good I'm sure I'll be a Stamps season ticket holder, but it just can't compare to the NFL for me. I'll easily sit down and watch 3 hours of football regardless of if its CFL, NFL or NCAA though.

[Papi34]

CFL players consist of NFL rejects. Case closed. You cannot tell me that a single CFL player wouldnt give his left nut to be playing in the NFL, better game more money better fans.

As mentioned everything about the CFL is bush league. 8 teams with 6 making playoffs. A point for kicking it through the endzone (this is actually why i hate the cfl) Not even close to the level of talent. stupid canadian to american ratio. There is just so much wrong with the cfl it aint funny. Sorry to you cfl fans all i can say is pick an NFL team follow them religiously and you wont ever miss the CFL again.

Id way rather see a generational talent like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning than Henry Burris who couldnt cut it as Brett Favres clipboard holder in the NFL LOL

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by calgaryrocks

what? this is like the nfl game last night, low scoring, close finish (although the end of reg in this game is much better than last nights), and some overtime.
cmon ticats!

A) I posted in the 2nd quarter when the game was really sucking
B) Just because a game is close and goes to overtime doesnt make it a good game.
C) The NFL game last night wasn't that great either but it's the first game of the year. CFL is in mid-season and these two bad teams are still making mistakes.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Your an ignorant ass.

Seriously the money the school brings in goes towards more class rooms better professors, tuition for the scholarships that they gave out.

Get over it, These players in the NCAA are only worried about jumping to the pros and kicking the pooch to the curb for the money. Besides big programs pay the players. Maybe not the coaching staff or school but I bet Julio jones (stud WR for bama) didnt get his brand spanking new tahoe by working hard at mcdonalds or his parents didn't buy it for him.

Ignore "The Special One". Every one of his posts has to do with money (I think he's only 12 years old), read the BAO:Pt.2 thread. He truly is the downside of coming to CP, reading a thread, then having to read one of his pieces of garbage "posts".

[jammies]

NFL was way better back in the 80s. Now it sucks hard - I tried watching some of the preseason games and I can't believe people actually find it entertaining.

I hate the fair catch rule. I hate the tiny little endzones. I hate the lack of movement before the snap. I hate the unimaginative play calls forced by playing huge behemoths on a tiny field. I especially hate the incredible hype which NOTHING could live up to.

CFL, the guys play because they love football and love to win. NFL, the guys play for the contract and for the adulation which allows a good portion of them to act like complete criminal ######bags. I know which I think is better.

PS - I can watch college ball because it's unpredictable and the teams aren't made up of evil robotic supermen. But as far as the best NCAA team beating any CFL team - that's right up there with figuring the best CFL team could beat any NFL team. Or figuring the Calgary Hitmen could beat any AHL team. Plain ridiculous.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by T@T

Every sport can have boring games, but in the NFL when it's boring it usally means great defensive plays.

To me I'll take watching extreme talent work their position over a bunch of hasbeens who for the most part can't even make the arena football league. Every-time I watch a CFL game I just laugh at the miss tackles, dropped passes and stupid fumbles.

It's a game thats impossable to bet on because it's a joke...enjoy though.

Yes, we all know the ability to gamble on it makes a good league.

Some of us can actually enjoy the sport without Sports Select and constantly checking our fantasy football team (the two biggest reasons the NFL is what it is).

I guess NCAA football is crap too because there's actually upsets once in awhile. That's so boring though - I just want to be able to pick the winner and cash my ticket every week.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by jammies

You're in the wrong thread. You want this thread here, where the discussion is about NFL vs CFL vs NCAA: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=79094.

No need to thank me, I get a buzz out of helping people.

LOL. I respond to a post that is directed at me and I'm the one that's guilty of derailing the thread?

Originally Posted by Pastiche

Wow. Nice troll. This game is exhibit A of why I think the cfL is WAY better than NFL. You NEVER see an NFL game like that. High scoring, tonnes of great passing plays, incredible drives.

Enjoy your league of hype, glitz and no substance.

Wolven, is that you? You'll get a lot further on here if you refrain from calling people trolls. If you think there's never been an NFL game like that, then you clearly have not watched the NFL for an extended period of time.

I didn't realize that high-scoring made the games better. I guess you must be a fan of 7-6 games in the NHL, too.

Originally Posted by troutman

Every score in the NFL is a result of someone making a mistake too. If there are more mistakes in the CFL, it is because the ball is put in risk much more often, because of the three downs. Different games. It is useless to argue which is "better".

It's okay to like both leagues. I do.

I didn't say every score in either league was the result of a mistake. The first TD to Copeland was a nice play. And sorry, but three downs isn't the reason why Cody Pickett is terrible and Titus Ryan can't catch a punt.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by rubecube

LOL. I respond to a post that is directed at me and I'm the one that's guilty of derailing the thread?

Rube, I asked you LAST SEASON not to derail the CFL threads with this same crap, and it just doesn't seem to sink in. You seem like a nice enough guy otherwise but it gets really, really old.

As I said LAST YEAR, but I guess bears repeating, you don't see me going into the NFL threads to tell everyone how crappy the NFL is, because it's rude, unnecessary, and unwelcome. We get it - you think the CFL is bush. If you want to discuss that, start your own thread or use this one. And that should go for everyone who likes to go into those threads and post derogatory things about the CFL - just don't bother, it's not constructive and the people who DO enjoy the CFL aren't reading the game threads to hear about the NFL or why the CFL sucks.

[Pastiche]

To me I'll take watching extreme talent work their position over a bunch of hasbeens who for the most part can't even make the arena football league. Every-time I watch a CFL game I just laugh at the miss tackles, dropped passes and stupid fumbles.

Whelp, thanks for proving to everyone that you don't watch the CFL. If there's one clear distinct advantage the athletes of the CFL have over the NFL it's the ability to catch a football. I can't for the life of me believe the amount of dropped balls in the NFL.

I like CFL alot more than the NFL. Mostly because I just hate the NFL's rules, low scoring, conservatism, and the 'clock management' mindset. How many times do I hear in a telecast, oh, this QB's a good game manager. Meaning that he just throws it away at the sign of trouble and stops the clock.

I have yet to see a compelling argument in this thread as to why the rules of the NFL are better. What's the problem with the rouge? To me it adds extra unpredictability to the game and forces teams to be more offensive because the natural order of scores and field goals to TIE is upset. Forces teams to go for it more, more two point converts, more on-side kicks, you know more exciting things.

I just feel that alot of NFL fans are brainwashed into thinking that conservative boring game is superior because of those very virtues. I really think though that the CFL gets alot of hate because it's harder to gamble on.

[GGG]

I don't think that the talent level gap is as large as people made it out to be. The best QB's ever in the CFL Warren Moon and Doug Flutie were Pro-Bowl QB's in the NFL

Not looking at generational players Stephan Logan is looking effective as a kick returner for the stealers this year and he wasn't a dominant player in the CFL.
Cameron Wake played well enough in BC to get 4 million guarenteed from Miami.

Kenton Kieth was good enough to cost the colts a playoff game.

Every year I would say there are 2 - 6 players in the CFL that make NFL rosters. So the comparison in talent level is very similar to the AHL to NHL.

The other interesting thing about the CFL is that its play design is used by the NFL years after being introduced in the CFL. The spread offense introduced by Hufnagel for Flutie is one of the earlier instances of it being used effectively.

As for me I perfer the CFL over the NFL because I like passing based football, I enjoy watching the NFL and since the introduction of the spread offense in the NFL it has become alot more exciting.

For those who don't understand the Rouge you are trading points for field position. You have the option to run the ball out to where ever you can get to or trade a single point for 35 yards. To me this a better rule then just automatically getting 20 yards if a punt is 1 yard deep into the end zone. It also leads to more returns which are exciting plays.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Pastiche

Whelp, thanks for proving to everyone that you don't watch the CFL. If there's one clear distinct advantage the athletes of the CFL have over the NFL it's the ability to catch a football. I can't for the life of me believe the amount of dropped balls in the NFL.

I like CFL alot more than the NFL. Mostly because I just hate the NFL's rules, low scoring, conservatism, and the 'clock management' mindset. How many times do I hear in a telecast, oh, this QB's a good game manager. Meaning that he just throws it away at the sign of trouble and stops the clock.

I have yet to see a compelling argument in this thread as to why the rules of the NFL are better. What's the problem with the rouge? To me it adds extra unpredictability to the game and forces teams to be more offensive because the natural order of scores and field goals to TIE is upset. Forces teams to go for it more, more two point converts, more on-side kicks, you know more exciting things.

I just feel that alot of NFL fans are brainwashed into thinking that conservative boring game is superior because of those very virtues. I really think though that the CFL gets alot of hate because it's harder to gamble on.

Meaning that you apparently don't have a clue what you are talking about.

I like both, but god are there some stupid ass arguments on both sides as to why one is so much better than the other.

[IceMan]

I love College and NFL football. I'm a huge Stamps fan so i watch them all the time but I'm not going to sit and watch other games. NCAA is bigger than the NFL but the NFL obviously is the best league with the best players, most revenue and media attention. I love Football in general but if i have to rank them i would go NCAA 1a, NFL 1b, and the CFL 2.

[worth]

The NFL versus the CFL

Friday, September 8, 2006, 06:50 PM EST [General]



The CFL is a different type of game played by different types of players at positions with different responsibilities. The NFL is the best marketed sports product in the world. It has the hype that sells. The NFL game is very, very structured. They require players who can play a highly structured game. There are reads off of reads off of reads. There is not a lot of improvisation. Frankly, there is no room for it. In the NFL, there are huge bodies on a relatively small field. There is no separation between down lineman making athleticism secondary to size in line play. Running backs, linebackers and even quarterbacks need to be of a certain body type in order to succeed. I used to have this argument with people who would always refer to Sam Mills. They would say "There is a 5'9" linebacker succeeding in the NFL." It does happen. But this scenario is so anomalous it is noteworthy. This is the point, in the CFL small players don't draw that type of attention because it is normal.

CFL players are selected on the basis of talent. The large field opens the game up and allows improvisational talents to be utilized. We have seen running backs of all shapes and size in our league. Do you remember Robert Mimbs? He did not look like a running back. He did not hit the line hard or run with power. He could move laterally like no one else and he could read the play. He could pick and slide his way through the line of scrimmage. This was his talent and few could match him in this regard. The CFL is a game that allowed Robert Mimbs use his unparalleled lateral abilities. In the NFL, these skills are useless. It's all about hitting the line and hitting it hard. The CFL is more talent focused.

Gizmo Williams and Pinball are players the NFL would consider too small. Their talent and athleticism were superior to any NFL returner. The CFL provided a game that enables talent to overcome size. That is what the CFL game does. It allows talent to overcome size. You cannot claim that the athletes are inferior. That is far too simplistic and ignores so much.
How many times have we seen NFL players come to the CFL and fall flat on their face. Lots. Particularly quarterbacks. Vince Ferragamo, Eric Kramer, Lee Saltz and many more. Winnipeg has Tee Martin, his NFL credentials created the assumption he would be an effective CFL quarteback. He can throw, but he can't survive outside an incredibly structured game matrix. This is why he cannot succeed. Tim Rosenbach signed with Hamilton some years ago. He was supposed to be the next great quarterback. He is an NFL style passer. It does not work in the CFL. You don't have all day to sit in a short pocket and wait for a play to develop. Rosenbach was a flop. CFL quarterbacks need more skills. The only NFL style QB to ever have success was David Archer because of his intelligence. Doug Flutie succeeded because he is a CFL style quarterback. Doug could improvise, create and execute. He was the best I've ever seen. No one could match what he did in the CFL.

Brett Favre and Steve Young are quarterbacks who would have had CFL success, but I doubt they would have matched Flutie. Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick and Duante Culpepper are great quarterbacks, especially McNabb, 20 years ago these men would have been CFL quarterbacks. The CFL, on many occasions in the past, has benefitted from the best quarterbacks. The CFL still has access to many of the best athletes at quarterback because of the size requirements for an NFL quarterback. An NFL quarterback needs to be tall enough to find passing lanes through enormous linemen. A CFL quarterback can move the pocket and use his mobility to create his own passing lane.

I could continue a position by position breakdown but that would take hours. The bottom line is that CFL athletes are second to none. The NFL has all the hype but you must look beyond hype to substance. Rod Rust was a very successful NFL coach. He says many of the best athletes he coached were CFL players. Different game played by different players at different positions. Highly structured vs. continually changing.

If the NHL were to remove the red line, play on olympic sized ice and call penalties for obstruction, you would see personnel changes galore in the NHL. They would need different players. This may already be happening. The NHL may desire players who can be creative and fast rendering the large-bodied grinders less effective. What does everyone want to see? A different game requires different abilities. There are similarities and constants, but we cannot assume that differences relate to quality. Furthermore, we cannot look at the salaries involved and expect that to be an accurate barometer of quality, it doesn't work.

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And to people bringing up the Rouge, I don't know how many times i've said this. I've lost count.

The Rouge is not a reward for missing a field goal. The rouge is there because the defending team failed to get the ball out of their end zone.

If you kick a fieldgoal and miss and the defending team returns the ball out of the end zone, there is no single point. Therefore, how can this be a "reward" for missing a fieldgoal?

Once the ball is kicked, the play isn't over. If the fieldgoal is missed, the ball is still live. If it is still live, the defending team must return it out of the endzone. If the offence happens to be close enough to kick it though the back of the end zone, then that's too bad for the defence.

People who continually refer to this rule as "rewarding failure" are off base.

[Bertuzzied]

If you could have NFL players play a CFL rules game you would have the best sport on the planet. The NFL is just a giant snoozefest. I know they are getting mega bucks from TV but how many commercials can you really fit into a 3 hour telecast.

The only way i can truly watch an entire NFL game is if I have money on the game AND I pvr the game and start watching on a 45 minute delay.

[Pastiche]

I loved the end of the JAX-IND game. 14-12 with 1:20 to go and you see four knees to end it out.

Yep that's a great way to end the game.

Also loved this from the article:

Personally I think that NFL is way overhyped and when you watch it you think to yourself "That's IT???". Always expecting more and waiting for something spectacular, which never actually happens.

THe CFL is exciting football with exciting players.

In Toronto, there seems to be a lot of NFL fans. Their rationale is "Toronto is a world-class city, we deserve a world-class league."

The fact is that the American media has over-hyped the NFL so much that even now Canadians think its a world-class league. They're just wannabees who want to have something in common with Americans. Its 'cool' in Toronto to talk about the NFL, because there are no domestic teams and it shows that you're "in" if you are knowledgable about the NFL. They wear NFL jerseys over CFL jerseys to show off.

I say F U to those people, the CFL is a better league, with different, more exciting kinds of players. Too bad some Canadians are too stuck up to realize it. It puzzles me that Canadians would be so un-patriotic, as well. THe CFL is the best professional league you have, and a damn good one.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Pastiche

I loved the end of the JAX-IND game. 14-12 with 1:20 to go and you see four knees to end it out.

Yep that's a great way to end the game.

I don't mind that. NFL is about clock management and coaching. JAX used all their timeouts and their defense couldn't stop IND from getting first downs so they lost. That's what mades 3rd downs crucial. You fail to stop a team on third down you lose over 2 minutes.

CFL sometimes tries to put in too many plays thus not rewarding defense.

[Pastiche]

Well, I like my sports to be exciting at the end of the game. Hockey is very exciting at the end of the game because a close game isn't over until it's over. CFL is the same, so is basketball.

NFL, you have a game that's separated by 2 points and there's 1:20 left and the game is over? You say you don't mind that. So over the course of the game you get excitement over the game's clock management and coaching? Did you glee when Jacksonville used their last timeout? Wow that was pretty exciting I'll tell you. Jeez, that was way better than a close game going down to the last second.

And by the way, the CFL rewards defensive just fine. You stop the team, you get the ball back. That's all the reward you need.

I think the article I quoted applies here.