08-10-2009, 12:46 PM
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#61
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Originally Posted by bcb
Canada was one of the last countries to go metric. My question for Trudeau would be: What were you waiting for?
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Trudeau became PM in 1968, and Canada began the process of adopting the metric system in 1970. How much faster did you want it to happen?
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08-10-2009, 01:00 PM
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#62
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Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby
So the result is what the problem is, not the motive?
It really is one my favs.
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I would look at it as what the leader is willing to do to gain those votes is the problem.
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08-10-2009, 01:02 PM
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#63
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Originally Posted by nik-
I would look at it as what the leader is willing to do to gain those votes is the problem.
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Fair enough. But good or bad, I think if it wasn't for Trudeau we'd all be living in a very different country.
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08-10-2009, 01:08 PM
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#64
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Old Joke:
What does PETRO CANADA stand for?
Pierre Elliott Trudeau Rips-Off Canada.
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08-10-2009, 01:12 PM
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#65
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby
Fair enough. But good or bad, I think if it wasn't for Trudeau we'd all be living in a very different country.
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Yup we would, probably a better country without as much regional strife.
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08-10-2009, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Yup we would, probably a better country without as much regional strife.
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Or a sovereign Quebec! 
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08-10-2009, 01:25 PM
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#67
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Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby
Or a sovereign Quebec! |
Yeah, we should definitely throw money at provinces so they stay part of one of the greatest countries in the world.
f Quebec.
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08-10-2009, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MarchHare
Trudeau became PM in 1968, and Canada began the process of adopting the metric system in 1970. How much faster did you want it to happen?
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Well considering France first adopted it in 1791, I simply object to the notion that this was one of the 'progressive' moves of the Trudeau Administration.
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08-10-2009, 01:29 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby
Or a sovereign Quebec! |
In which case, CC might well still be right.
This may come as a shock to you - at least as big it would to any Eastern based liberal - but Quebec isn't the only region the Trudeau Liberals created a lot of divisions with.
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08-10-2009, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by nik-
Yeah, we should definitely throw money at provinces so they stay part of one of the greatest countries in the world.
f Quebec.
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If we cut off Quebec and let them seperate, I'd give them 5 years before they came crying back to Confederation because their standard of living had deteriorated significantly.
Face it. How would they make any money as an independent country? They have no sustainable industries and France isn't about to support them for the next 150 years.
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08-10-2009, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bcb
If we cut off Quebec and let them seperate, I'd give them 5 years before they came crying back to Confederation because their standard of living had deteriorated significantly.
Face it. How would they make any money as an independent country? They have no sustainable industries and France isn't about to support them for the next 150 years.
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I agree. Without Canada pumping 8 billion a year into them from equalization payments they'd be ruined. Let them separate, pay back their share of the debt and then let them go bankrupt.
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08-10-2009, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Don't strain your shoulder patting yourself on the back.
Any ###### could guess that the NEP was going to be brought up eventually.
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except, apparently, 4X4.
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08-10-2009, 01:47 PM
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#73
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
In which case, CC might well still be right.
This may come as a shock to you - at least as big it would to any Eastern based liberal - but Quebec isn't the only region the Trudeau Liberals created a lot of divisions with.
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Really, I had no idea.
Look, for the record I am far from a Trudeau fanboy. I just get perturbed when Trudeau is discussed and we don't critically discuss the perceived positives. I guess when it comes down to it I like Charter, hell I even like the idea of multiculturalism. And I am personally a fan of a strong centralized government. Wow, guess I sounds like a fanboy now. Heh, oh well. I'm really not.
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08-10-2009, 01:48 PM
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#74
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Originally Posted by nik-
Without Canada pumping 8 billion a year into them from equalization payments they'd be ruined. Let them separate, pay back their share of the debt and then let them go bankrupt.
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Do you feel the same way about Atlantic Canadians?
In 2007, PEI received $2,118 per citizen in equalization payments from Ottawa; Quebec received less than half of that, $931 per capita (the second lowest, after Saskatchewan, of any province to receive equalization).
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08-10-2009, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MarchHare
Do you feel the same way about Atlantic Canadians?
In 2007, PEI received $2,118 per citizen in equalization payments from Ottawa; Quebec received less than half of that, $931 per capita (the second lowest, after Saskatchewan, of any province to receive equalization).
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I don't see two referendums on whether to separate from the country from the Atlantic Provinces.
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08-10-2009, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by nik-
I don't see two referendums on whether to separate from the country from the Atlantic Provinces.
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And both referendums were defeated by the voters of Quebec. What's your point?
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08-10-2009, 01:55 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MarchHare
Do you feel the same way about Atlantic Canadians?
In 2007, PEI received $2,118 per citizen in equalization payments from Ottawa; Quebec received less than half of that, $931 per capita (the second lowest, after Saskatchewan, of any province to receive equalization).
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The atlantic provinces haven't been holding a gun to The Feds head for the past 30 years. There are no language laws and anglos aren't made to feel inferior for speaking English.
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08-10-2009, 01:56 PM
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#78
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Originally Posted by MarchHare
And both referendums were defeated by the voters of Quebec. What's your point?
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My point is that they happened. Defeated or not, a large portion of the voters voted for. You can just dismiss it since it wasn't successful if you want, but I'm not going to.
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08-10-2009, 02:03 PM
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The atlantic provinces haven't been holding a gun to The Feds head for the past 30 years. There are no language laws and anglos aren't made to feel inferior for speaking English.
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The funny thing about Alberta and Quebec, is that they both play up the victim as much as possible. When talking about dislike for the Liberal party, many older people in Alberta (or their kids) will mention how they can't forget what happened in the 70s with Trudeau. People in Quebec love to point out how before the 1970s, Quebec was dominated by the English and were 2nd class in their own province. Quebec was essentially a conquered territory and as such, was treated with a colonial attitude until Trudeau came to power.
If Alberta still has a case for being distrustful of the Liberals and feel alienated by the party, then Quebec still has a case to made when taking extremes to protect their culture. Personally, I think both are living in the past and believe in conspiracies that no longer exist (if they ever really did).
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08-10-2009, 02:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bcb
There are no language laws
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