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icarus · 07-03-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by troutman

My boys' troop made thousands from a bottle drive this year (in an inner city community filled with hobos). More $ than they know what do do with.

Yeah, when I was younger and part of the 144th Lake Bonavista group we had bottle drives down to a science and would make between $3000-4000 each time we did a bottle drive, three times a year. Of course, that money was divided amongst Beavers, Cubs, Scouts, Venturers, and Rovers and it was amongst the largest groups in the city so the money just barely stretched far enough.

CMPunk · 07-03-2009, 09:20 AM

I haven't had any kind of scout troop come by in years. I didn't think they still did bottle drives.

I have no issues with the homeless going through the bins for cans/bottles. If they want the money, all the power to them. The only issue I have is if they leave a mess.

Jimmy Stang · 07-03-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by icarus

It pisses me off because I know many Scout troops in Calgary get a lot of their funding from bottle drives. So these punky trolls are not only causing neighbourhood nuisance but they are indirectly stealing from the Scouts and removing their ability to go camping and so forth.

Imagine some little Beaver or Cub comes to your door asking for bottles and you have to send him away saying "I had some I wasn't going to return myself but some urchin took them all away."

If they were in the blue bin, the Scouts weren't getting them anyway.

I'd blame the lazy homeowner who put them there more than I'd blame the bums for taking them.

JustAnotherGuy · 07-03-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

If they were in the blue bin, the Scouts weren't getting them anyway.

I'd blame the lazy homeowner who put them there more than I'd blame the bums for taking them.

lol. That is just wrong. I could explain to you why it is wrong but it would be a waste of my energy.

I just wish I could be standing beside you if you ever do something like drop your wallet. I would pick it up and say it is my wallet. If you wanted it you would have not dropped it. Your fault.

You Need a Thneed · 07-03-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

lol. That is just wrong. I could explain to you why it is wrong but it would be a waste of my energy.

I just wish I could be standing beside you if you ever do something like drop your wallet. I would pick it up and say it is my wallet. If you wanted it you would have not dropped it. Your fault.

Since when do you accidentally drop refundable bottles in your blue bin?

JustAnotherGuy · 07-03-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Since when do you accidentally drop refundable bottles in your blue bin?

He gave up possession of the object. Obviously he did not want it. I picked it up and it is now mine.

I am giving an example of the same backwards logic that he is talking about.

It is the home owners fault that people go through the blue box and make a mess. That is absurd. Yes, if there was nothing of value in the blue box then the bums would not go through it. But it is hardly the fault of the home owner if he put something of value in it. Who is making the mess? WHO?

GGG · 07-03-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

If they were in the blue bin, the Scouts weren't getting them anyway.

I'd blame the lazy homeowner who put them there more than I'd blame the bums for taking them.

How is it a lazy homeowner. I am forced to pay for a service to take my recycling away. I believe that the service I am paying for includes ALL RECYCLABLES. Deposits or Mandatory recycling program its an either or proposition if you want to avoid problems.

Regulator75 · 07-03-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GGG

I believe that the service I am paying for includes ALL RECYCLABLES.

Your beliefs are messed up. Anyone who puts $$$ deposit recycling in the blue bins are suckers and the City of Calgary is laughing while making even more money off you.

Jimmy Stang · 07-03-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GGG

How is it a lazy homeowner. I am forced to pay for a service to take my recycling away. I believe that the service I am paying for includes ALL RECYCLABLES. Deposits or Mandatory recycling program its an either or proposition if you want to avoid problems.

In order of effort required: 1) You can either take the bottles back to the bottle depot, 2) save them and donate them to a bottle drive, or 3) put them in your blue bin.

In scenario 1, you get the deposit back. In scenario 2, scouts or a sports team get a donation. In scenario 3, you are giving your money to the city or a bottle picker - whoever gets it first.

I don't agree with bums making a mess, but if you're putting refundables in the blue bin, you are forfeiting the deposit either way. And, as others have mentioned, making it lucrative for bottle pickers. No bottles in blue bins = no bottle pickers. Supply and demand.

Jimmy Stang · 07-03-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

He gave up possession of the object. Obviously he did not want it. I picked it up and it is now mine.

I am giving an example of the same backwards logic that he is talking about.

It is the home owners fault that people go through the blue box and make a mess. That is absurd. Yes, if there was nothing of value in the blue box then the bums would not go through it. But it is hardly the fault of the home owner if he put something of value in it. Who is making the mess? WHO?

I was referring to scouts groups having money "stolen" from them, not the mess that bottle pickers might create. Try to keep up.

As for the wallet analogy, there is a big difference between accidentally losing your wallet and deliberately discarding refundables in your blue bin.

Wallet slips out of your pocket onto the ground = unlucky. Wallet is deliberately discarded to whoever might find it = tough. Not so backwards, really.

Methanolic · 07-03-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

Damn near.

Next time I'll post twice, The 2nd one for you, will be mainly comprised of colorful pictures and stick figures.

JustAnotherGuy · 07-03-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

I was referring to scouts groups having money "stolen" from them, not the mess that bottle pickers might create. Try to keep up.

As for the wallet analogy, there is a big difference between accidentally losing your wallet and deliberately discarding refundables in your blue bin.

Wallet slips out of your pocket onto the ground = unlucky. Wallet is deliberately discarded to whoever might find it = tough. Not so backwards, really.

I knew you wouldn't get it. Anyway. Carry on.

Methanolic · 07-03-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Regulator75

If home owners are stupid enough to leave $$$ recyclables (Milk jugs, bottles cans, etc...) in their blue bins they deserve to be picked though.

Are people really that rich and lazy? We may a monthly fee for the city to collect the recyclables, then the city makes even more money off your cans and what not.

Moral of story: Do not place cans and bottles in your blue bin.
If there is nothing to collect, these "Trolls" will move onto other neighbourhoods, where the people don't return their empties.

Why would they keep rummaging IF there is nothing to be found...

My point exactly!!!!

It only takes time and effort and eventually word will get around that certain areas (communities) are a waste of time for the "Bin-Divers"

JustAnotherGuy · 07-03-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Methanolic

My point exactly!!!!

It only takes time and effort and eventually word will get around that certain areas (communities) are a waste of time for the "Bin-Divers"

I agree 100%. But please don't blame the home owners for the problem. Yes, the home homers can do this to prevent the "bums' from going through the bins. But please lets blame the right group of people.

The problem is the 'bums' who go through the bins and make the mess.

Methanolic · 07-03-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

I agree 100%. But please don't blame the home owners for the problem. Yes, the home homers can do this to prevent the "bums' from going through the bins. But please lets blame the right group of people.

The problem is the 'bums' who go through the bins and make the mess.

Agree, But I don't think you can really blame anyone in this case. It's cause and effect. certain people have said they don't care if the bums pick their bins and that's fine for them. For me it's NOT fine and I will do my best to try to ensure that my neighbourhood is a dry zone for these people.

Homer_J · 07-03-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goon

Growing up in Toronto, we didn't have deposits on cans/bottles so we would throw everything into the blue box, and the city would simply come and take it away. There was nothing of any value in the boxes, so no one would go through them.

I'm happy that curbside recycling has finally been introduced here (even though my townhouse/condo isn't included), but obviously there's some ramifications of this to be dealt with.

It's the same in Winnipeg. The cans aren't worth anything, so no one has ever gone through our bin as far as I know.

When I first moved from Alberta I was surprised to find out that there were no deposits and somewhat disappointed that I could no longer collect a nice little chunk of change for returning my empties. But now I'm happy to just throw them in the blue bin. One less thing to worry about.

Russic · 07-03-2009, 01:56 PM

I have a hard time complaining about the homeless. They impact an extremely small percentage of my day and when it's all said and done I go to sleep with my wife and they go to sleep in a box.

As far as I'm concerned if I put my empties in my blue bin (and I do), then as soon as they hit my curb they are no longer mine. I've made the decision that the time, effort and storage of the cans and bottles just isn't worth the $$ I'd get back. If you'd like to come and sift through my recycling or garbage for cans, you obviously need the dime more than I. Obviously if a mess was left behind it would become a problem. I could understand frustration if that were the case.

Methanolic · 07-03-2009, 02:47 PM

^^^^^

I understant your take on the homeless, I'll assume that you DO have a problem with young men (probably not homeless) casing your property while they're pickin' in your Bin.

JustAnotherGuy · 07-03-2009, 02:47 PM

Most of us are talking about the mess being left behind and the potential criminal activity from some of these people, otherwise take the damn bottles.

Russic · 07-03-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Methanolic

^^^^^

I understant your take on the homeless, I'll assume that you DO have a problem with young men (probably not homeless) casing your property while they're pickin' in your Bin.

Not sure anybody would argue with that. I'm not saying I disagree with the OP being angry about people walking around property they do not own. My post was more directed at those that have a big problem with people taking bottles and cans.

After reading heartbreaking stories like Rerun's on CP (stolen golf clubs) I am very careful to keep my garage locked up.