Rogers / Fido annouce new way to scam customers. I mean a new unlimited data plan. - Page 4 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

HotHotHeat · 03-19-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jing

It is also clearly stated that these plans will not work for non roger phones.

I believe that would be a moot point. He checked of the fair use of his contract while using the iPhone. If they tell him during that time that he's doing nothing wrong, he has legal recourse. Yes, it says that in the contract, but a company cannot change a bill amount once issued.

Jing · 03-19-2008, 01:15 PM

I understand that but I still would not trust rogers let alone any cell provider in Canada. The point of my original post is that it looks like they are going to start the imei filtering very soon. Be prepared to argue in the future, as they are starting to add features on your online account information which shows if you are using a rogers phone or not.

Hey, if it works...im all for it, but I am still very skeptical given my previous experience with rogers.

Bobblehead · 03-19-2008, 01:28 PM

Maybe they won't add to the bill that has already been issued (and I'm not confident that they couldn't); but if there is another 70MB used this month them maybe it will show up on the bill this time. Or next month.

HotHotHeat · 03-19-2008, 01:33 PM

True, it could still be a problem in the future.

It's hilarious we're stuck arguing about whether providers are going to nail their costumers with outrageous data rates while Polish and Austrian providers offer legitimate iPhones with data plans costing a fraction of what they do here.

bluejays · 03-19-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheyCallMeBruce

Beware of Opera. It's ok to surf using opera mini if you don't intent to hit a lot of wap sites, but if you do, opera mini often tends to return a user agent string of Opera/8.01 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini; en; U; ssr). I know this doesn't mean anything to you, but some wap sites require a device user agent to recognize the device you are using. Of course, this does not affect web browsing at all, only if you intent to use on some wap environments.

I wish I knew a thing you were saying.

I don't have my Blackberry yet, still waiting on my coworker to get it for me, but I'm really not a risktaker when it comes to this considering the risk is extremely high with the reward being not so much. I've just fallen in love with the iPhone recently, and missed out on AT&T's sale as posted here.

Back to your comments though, what's the difference between WAP sites and regular sites such as CP? I'm completely in the dark when it comes to computer lingo.

Bobblehead · 03-19-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

True, it could still be a problem in the future.

It's hilarious we're stuck arguing about whether providers are going to nail their costumers with outrageous data rates while Polish and Austrian providers offer legitimate iPhones with data plans costing a fraction of what they do here.

Yeah. I was just waiting until my current contract was going to run out, then was going to buy an unlocked phone of my choosing and get on the Rogers/Fido network (since they seem to be the only ones to allow unlocked phones). Now, I'm not so sure.

photon · 03-19-2008, 01:53 PM

I've got no contract right now, but I'm waiting until they start carrying the iPhone just to see what data plans do after that.

Plus I would like a 3G iPhone. I missed out on that $249 deal yesterday so I guess I'll wait.

Jing · 03-19-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Maybe they won't add to the bill that has already been issued (and I'm not confident that they couldn't); but if there is another 70MB used this month them maybe it will show up on the bill this time. Or next month.

That is exactly why i am trying to warn some people. You may not get charged now, but rumors say that the upcoming bills will not be as nice.

Im really hoping that the new competition coming into Canada will help bring much better rates. I believe that in some article that rogers doesnt believe in "unlimited data". As of right now, if you want data, you go with telus.

anyonebutedmonton · 03-19-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jing

That is exactly why i am trying to warn some people. You may not get charged now, but rumors say that the upcoming bills will not be as nice.

Im really hoping that the new competition coming into Canada will help bring much better rates. I believe that in some article that rogers doesnt believe in "unlimited data". As of right now, if you want data, you go with telus.

I just don't see how they can charge me one month for something that I have not been charged for before. I have not seen any contract nor has anyone read me or sent me fine print. I simply called to see if there was a package that included text, VM, caller ID and they informed me that this 20 dollar plan included all of that plus unlimited data. If they were to call or write a letter to me to stop because i will be charged in the future then that would be one thing, but I can't see how they could start charging me for something I havent agreed to.

Bobblehead · 03-19-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by anyonebutedmonton

I just don't see how they can charge me one month for something that I have not been charged for before. I have not seen any contract nor has anyone read me or sent me fine print. I simply called to see if there was a package that included text, VM, caller ID and they informed me that this 20 dollar plan included all of that plus unlimited data. If they were to call or write a letter to me to stop because i will be charged in the future then that would be one thing, but I can't see how they could start charging me for something I havent agreed to.

If you accepted the plan then you have agreed to the terms, whether you have read the fine print or not. If you say you didn't get charged on previous bills, they will say you were lucky - that you agreed to the terms.

Don't think we are ragging on you. Anything but - I hope you are right and you can surf with impunity. I personally think that is what this plan should do, but the small print implies otherwise. We just don't want to see you selling your stuff in the Buy-Sell forum because you thought you would get away with something and found out otherwise. There is enough information out there now that you should be concerned.

In your shoes, I'd keep pretty close track for the next few months and make sure you could afford any nasty surprises.

HotHotHeat · 03-19-2008, 04:15 PM

Personally, I'd welcome him to sell his iPhone in the buy-sell forum.

Jing · 03-19-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by anyonebutedmonton

I just don't see how they can charge me one month for something that I have not been charged for before. I have not seen any contract nor has anyone read me or sent me fine print. I simply called to see if there was a package that included text, VM, caller ID and they informed me that this 20 dollar plan included all of that plus unlimited data. If they were to call or write a letter to me to stop because i will be charged in the future then that would be one thing, but I can't see how they could start charging me for something I havent agreed to.

Well it clearly states no non rogers phones, and I am assuming you signed a contract so you are technically supposed to be charged 5 cents/kb. We should not forget that whole bell fiasco thing either. I believe that bell never called to warn the person of the impending charges, so I would not expect rogers of all companies to give you that courtesy.

Jing · 03-19-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Personally, I'd welcome him to sell his iPhone in the buy-sell forum.

You could always buy a refurbed one and unlock it. They go for pretty cheap right now.

photon · 03-19-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by anyonebutedmonton

but I can't see how they could start charging me for something I havent agreed to.

Heh, that's the thing, is technically you did agree to it.. You've done a bunch of work to make sure that CSRs say you're clear and ok which is good, but as Jing points out that kind of thing hasn't worked for everyone in the past, CSR's will say all kinds of things but in the end the part of the company who decides to send you a huge bill or cancel your account doesn't answer to the CSRs.

You may be on the right side of the law and in court you may win, but you'd have to go to court in the first place, or if you didn't want to deal with collections or having your account cancelled etc. Too much potential hassle to make it worth risking it over, which is why I wanted to wait to see how it would turn out for others

Jing · 03-19-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

True, it could still be a problem in the future.

It's hilarious we're stuck arguing about whether providers are going to nail their costumers with outrageous data rates while Polish and Austrian providers offer legitimate iPhones with data plans costing a fraction of what they do here.

I would be very happy to get the equivalent of an iphone plan up in canada (the 60$ US plan). My phone could do so much more with a dedicated data plan.....

HotHotHeat · 03-19-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jing

I would be very happy to get the equivalent of an iphone plan up in canada (the 60$ US plan). My phone could do so much more with a dedicated data plan.....

My Telus contract is 100% unlimited. The problem is it runs Windows Mobile 5, which just may be a worse MS OS than Windows ME. Ewwww the days of PC's.

Jing · 03-19-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

My Telus contract is 100% unlimited. The problem is it runs Windows Mobile 5, which just may be a worse MS OS than Windows ME. Ewwww the days of PC's.

I would go with telus but I switch phones alot, so I am stuck with rogers or fido. Plus, there are way cooler unlocked gsm phones compared to what telus currently offers.....

algernon · 03-19-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by anyonebutedmonton

I simply called to see if there was a package that included text, VM, caller ID and they informed me that this 20 dollar plan included all of that plus unlimited data.

I salute your bravery. I heard an (albeit unconfirmed) story of a Mortgage Broker who ran up a $17,000 bill with his early generation Blackberry(!)... I truly truly hope you can use an iPhone on that plan, as I'm thinking about one in June.

Hey TCMBruce...Is there a program or website to warn/alert someone off of 'bad sites'?wap?

photon · 04-17-2008, 02:23 PM

Here comes the other shoe!

http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1356022

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-Starting the 15th of April, the business rules around the Unlimited Surfing on your Fido option will be enforced by the billing system. Customers having those options on incompatible devices (grey market or Windows Mobile phones) or using their handset for other that WAP browsing will be billed on a pay-per-use basis.- For more information on typical usage examples and volumes please check the following Library path :
Services/Features/Features/ Mobile Internet and High-Speed Mobile Internet and 3G High Speed Experience
New process step:
Verify the customer's equipment prior to activating or modifying a customer's data option to ensure the option is compatible.

Mango · 04-17-2008, 02:38 PM

Brutal.