New Gateway PC looks like a MAC

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by llama64

Can that low end optimized PC run Leopard? Can an iMac run WinXP/Vista? The point is moot. People don't buy iMac's for speed or performance. They buy them for general usability. Gateway is trying to repeat Apple's success but hasn't found the right formula (imo).

Well, it could if Apple didn't keep their OS proprietary.

No kidding, I even wrote that there's lots of reasons to buy a mac, but performance or speed are NOT the reasons. Yet, this whole thing started when someone said that Macs run Vista just as good as PC's. While I have not concretely proven that that is false, I am extremely confident in my hypothesis. Someone else can prove me wrong if they have the resources

Originally Posted by llama64

Gateway's all in one is a more expensive and less impressive iMac knockoff. The reality that I can walk into a computer store and buy a full DESKTOP for 500$ less then an iMac that gets some more points in a PC based benchmarking utility is beside the point.

So is Dell's knockoff (XPS ONE), both are absolutely terrible compared to the iMac. When properly configured, however, iMacs just don't hold a candle in any type of performance - not only in games, but in all aspects of productivity.

If PCMark is irrelevant, then I ask what sort of objective test would be relevant to the topic at hand? The link includes other things like rendering in 3d Max, transcoding in divX and such, but it is hard to find the exact same test in iMac reviews. People accuse me of throwing out baseless claims, what would be a solid "base" to prove that a properly configured PC would be faster?

I can already predict the rebuttal - "Noone cares about synthetic benchmarks, it's all about the Mac experience!" I know that, but if you're going to use that as your basis to claim that Macs perform better than PC's, then accusing me of having baseless claims is hypocritical.

Originally Posted by llama64

Fanboi'ism of any sort is lame. Buy a Mac if it makes sense to you or buy a PC if it makes more sense. All I know is that for me, the MacBook is a far superior machine then any others at it's current price point. And until Microsoft starts packaging a built in SSH utility into it's core operating system, I doubt I'll be moving back.

Are you accusing me of fanboi'ism? Because that is ridiculous. I understand the benefits of a Mac-based computer. I think that Leopard is miles ahead of Vista in terms of features and usability. However, to say that a properly configured PC is faster than any of Apple's iMac offerings is NOT fanboi'ism. It is the truth. For a Mac user to suggest otherwise - THAT is fanboi'ism.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Well, it could if Apple didn't keep their OS proprietary.

No kidding, I even wrote that there's lots of reasons to buy a mac, but performance or speed are NOT the reasons. Yet, this whole thing started when someone said that Macs run Vista just as good as PC's. While I have not concretely proven that that is false, I am extremely confident in my hypothesis. Someone else can prove me wrong if they have the resources

Crack open a Mac Pro and look at the parts. You can build it at Memory Express. So yes, a Mac can run Vista as well as a PC because they are the same thing.

If PCMark is irrelevant, then I ask what sort of objective test would be relevant to the topic at hand? The link includes other things like rendering in 3d Max, transcoding in divX and such, but it is hard to find the exact same test in iMac reviews. People accuse me of throwing out baseless claims, what would be a solid "base" to prove that a properly configured PC would be faster?

Two different products. Comparing an all in one machine to a custom designed performance desktop. Apples to Oranges (pardon the pun). You are correct, but you're missing the idea that in this case, the point is moot*.

I can already predict the rebuttal - "Noone cares about synthetic benchmarks, it's all about the Mac experience!" I know that, but if you're going to use that as your basis to claim that Macs perform better than PC's, then accusing me of having baseless claims is hypocritical.

Why do people buy Porche's when you can buy a cheaper japanese car with just as much power (or more with tuning)? User experience and ease of use.

Are you accusing me of fanboi'ism? Because that is ridiculous. I understand the benefits of a Mac-based computer. I think that Leopard is miles ahead of Vista in terms of features and usability. However, to say that a properly configured PC is faster than any of Apple's iMac offerings is NOT fanboi'ism. It is the truth. For a Mac user to suggest otherwise - THAT is fanboi'ism.

I was making a general point that having a fanboi'ish attitude is pointless. A smart person makes decisions based on research and logic, not baseless fanaticism and loyalty. So no, I didn't accuse you of anything other then making a point that wasn't relevant.



*if I can use "moot" again, can I get a prize?

[Regorium]

I just can't resist.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/2007/11/..._plague_apple/

BSOD in Leopard now, who would've thunk it?

Good points. I may not agree, but it's clear that there's no objective test that'll suit you guys for measuring performance. It's all about the experience. Which is fine, just don't say that Macs are just as fast as PC's based on feeling.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by Regorium

When properly configured, however, iMacs just don't hold a candle in any type of performance - not only in games, but in all aspects of productivity.

That's the most ridiculous statement you have made - and I'm not even a Mac user...Vista here.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by Madman

That's the most ridiculous statement you have made - and I'm not even a Mac user...Vista here.

We've been through this.

Mac and PC have exact same technical spec: Exact same performance.

iMac vs other All-in-one's: iMac's kick their ass

iMac vs properly configured PC: PC kicks iMac's ass

So the conclusion is, if you want an all-in-one, get an iMac. If you want a performance PC that'll have a case and take up more desk real estate, get a custom configured one from Mem Ex.

My statement is not that ridiculous when I'm talking about case #3, which is exactly what I was referring to.