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FireFly · 02-25-2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

I assume you are christian. So what are the reasons behind christians not likeing homosexuals?

You just don't give up on this point, do you? I'm a Christian and I like homosexuals....

kermitology · 02-25-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by flames85

like someone stated earlier, Beliefs are bases on Faith. and my faith is that the Bible is Fact.

Literal fact?

Azure · 02-25-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

I assume you are christian. So what are the reasons behind christians not likeing homosexuals?

WRONG, Wrong, wrong.

At least get it right; Christians don't like Homosexuality....in essence they should love homosexuals.

Hate the sin, love the sinner. If we're talking about Christians.

FireFly · 02-25-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kermitology

Validation of being right or something like that?

I don't know. I'm agnostic so proving Christianity or disproving it means nothing to me. I don't think it's BS, but I don't think it's right either. But I wasn't talking about proving Christianity right, but more that he sounds like he's trying to prove that parts of Christianity are built upon "fantasy"

You should clarify that. If you're agnostic that means you haven't decided which would mean that if they can prove Christianity, you would become Christian. If you're athiest, that means you believe there is no God.

Azure · 02-25-2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kermitology

Literal fact?

Good question, very good question.

calgaryrocks · 02-25-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

WRONG, Wrong, wrong.

At least get it right; Christians don't like Homosexuality....in essence they should love homosexuals.

Hate the sin, love the sinner. If we're talking about Christians.

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Burninator · 02-25-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by flames85

its not about likeing homosexuals, it's that it's not right. it's not right because the Bible states that. "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. [NIV Leviticus 18:22]" , there are probably other ways that state why it is wrong but i am not the most educated person, you would be better to contact a Minister.

The bible says lots of things. Like anyone working on sundays should be put to death and it's a good idea to publicly stone disobedient children.

I am not going to talk to a minister because I figured you would have reasons why you feel a certain way towards a group of people. I guess I am having a hard time understanding why christains don't like homosexuals.

kermitology · 02-25-2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

You should clarify that. If you're agnostic that means you haven't decided which would mean that if they can prove Christianity, you would become Christian. If you're athiest, that means you believe there is no God.

NO!!

Being Agnostic does not mean that there is a God or that there is not a God and that I haven't made my mind up. It bugs the hell out of me when people assume it's fence sitting.

I think that the concept of creation of the universe/Earth/humanity is a tool to help us deal with how everything appears finite. The concept of infinity doesn't work for so many people. I hold the belief that your destiny is based upon that which you hold to be true. Personally, I'm going to experience the next level of understanding in an infinite step of progress.

flames85 · 02-25-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

You just don't give up on this point, do you? I'm a Christian and I like homosexuals....

it's not about likeing them. Do you agree what they are doing is right?

Sparks · 02-25-2007, 10:04 PM

Flames85, the problem is, the Bible says a lot of stuff that you wouldn't consider appropriate in this day and age. Things like animal sacrifice, stoning misbehaving children and unfaithful wives, and on and on.

It astounds me that some Christians ignore all of the positive messages in the Bible (especially in the New Testament) to find a single dusty old verse to justify prejudice. (In this case, and many other times - eg. interracial marriage). If you're going to do that, you'd better follow all of the verses. And you'll have plenty of time to memorise them in jail.

I'm not a Christian myself, but I've got a lot of respect for Christianity and what it was to say. Why don't these Christians focus on the positive message? Jesus Christ (real or not

) was all about forgiveness and understanding and saying that no one is better than anyone else, and no human should judge, and so on. Remember Mary Magdalene? Are you reading the same Bible that I did? Or, did you stop after the lightning bolt throwing, tyrannical Old Testament?

Edit: Holy crap, about 10 posts in the time it took me to write this one. Sorry if there's any repeat.

FireFly · 02-25-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

I am not going to talk to a minister because I figured you would have reasons why you feel a certain way towards a group of people. I guess I am having a hard time understanding why christains don't like homosexuals.

Again, it's not the sinner, it's the sin. God created woman to be man's partner, his other half, his confidante, etc, etc, blah blah blah. God saw that man was lonely, and so created woman. It's not that we don't like homosexuals as some of us realize that homosexuality is a naturally occuring phenomena as displayed in other species. It's that we don't agree with the act.

Here's a question for you. If you're going to use nature as a reason that homosexuality is not a sin, why then do you not use that same example for rape and cannibalism and polygamy? All of those things are also displayed in nature, but it's a fairly common opinion that they're all bad things. Why are some things in nature okay, and others not?

Burninator · 02-25-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

You just don't give up on this point, do you? I'm a Christian and I like homosexuals....

Haha no I won't. You are the exception. It just upsets me because most christians don't seem to have a understanding as to why they don't like homosexuals.

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Originally Posted by Azure

WRONG, Wrong, wrong.

At least get it right; Christians don't like Homosexuality....in essence they should love homosexuals.

Hate the sin, love the sinner. If we're talking about Christians.

Shouldn't they forgiven them?

flames85 · 02-25-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

The bible says lots of things. Like anyone working on sundays should be put to death and it's a good idea to publicly stone disobedient children.

I am not going to talk to a minister because I figured you would have reasons why you feel a certain way towards a group of people. I guess I am having a hard time understanding why christains don't like homosexuals.

once again, It's not the homosexuals christians don't like, rather its the sin they are commiting.

calgaryrocks · 02-25-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

Shouldn't they forgiven them?

yes, but your forgiving someone, not saying its the right thing to do. like forgiving someone for murder or adultery or rape etc. its not exactly encouraged

flames85 · 02-25-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparks

Flames85, the problem is, the Bible says a lot of stuff that you wouldn't consider appropriate in this day and age. Things like animal sacrifice, stoning misbehaving children and unfaithful wives, and on and on.

It astounds me that some Christians ignore all of the positive messages in the Bible (especially in the New Testament) to find a single dusty old verse to justify prejudice. (In this case, and many other times - eg. interracial marriage). If you're going to do that, you'd better follow all of the verses. And you'll have plenty of time to memorise them in jail.

I'm not a Christian myself, but I've got a lot of respect for Christianity and what it was to say. Why don't Christians focus on the positive message? Jesus Christ (real or not) was all about forgiveness and understanding and saying that no one is better than anyone else, and no human should judge, and so on. Remember Mary Magdalene? Are you reading the same Bible that I did? Or, did you stop after the lightning bolt throwing, tyrannical Old Testament?

Edit: Holy crap, about 10 posts in the time it took me to write this one. Sorry if there's any repeat.

like i stated earlier i ain't the most educated, but i would like you to bring forth those verses from the bible. it could also mean a mis-translation.

if your a christian its not a question of wether or not Jesus is real. period. so there is no need to focus on that.

FireFly · 02-25-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kermitology

NO!!

Being Agnostic does not mean that there is a God or that there is not a God and that I haven't made my mind up. It bugs the hell out of me when people assume it's fence sitting.

My apologies then. It was not my intent to bug the hell out of you, that's the reason I said you should clarify what you mean. People assume it's the common used definition of agnosticism because... that's what's commonly used. No more and no less. You should perhaps say you're an existential agnostic then or some other such definition so there's no mistaking which type of agnostic you are. (I don't know that existential would cover it though, you should make up a new term.)

FireFly · 02-25-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by flames85

it's not about likeing them. Do you agree what they are doing is right?

Judge not lest ye be judged. It not my place to agree or disagree.

flames85 · 02-25-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

Haha no I won't. You are the exception. It just upsets me because most christians don't seem to have a understanding as to why they don't like homosexuals.

Shouldn't they forgiven them?

do they want to be forgiven and have stopped their sin?

flames85 · 02-25-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

Judge not lest ye be judged. It not my place to agree or disagree.

sure you are, stand for something, Do you agree with gay marriages?

Azure · 02-25-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

The bible says lots of things. Like anyone working on sundays should be put to death and it's a good idea to publicly stone disobedient children.

I am not going to talk to a minister because I figured you would have reasons why you feel a certain way towards a group of people. I guess I am having a hard time understanding why christains don't like homosexuals.

You're having a hard time understanding it, because it isn't true.

And where exactly in the New Testament does it say to put people who work on Sundays to death, and publicly stone disobedient children?