[Trade] Panarin (50% ret) to LA for cond 3rd, 4th, and Greentree. Signs 2x$11 mil extension.

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Originally Posted by Geeoff

This seems like a horrendous return. Unless Greentree is something special

He had a good year last year but this year has taken a big step back stats-wise. But that's just looking at numbers on the internet, haven't actually watched him play.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

A. The Rangers just did a good job landing a well regarded prospect ready to make the pro jump. I'd way rather have Greentree than some late first rounder in 2026 or 2027 that won't be a factor for 3-4 years, if at all.

B. Why is it a dumb place to go? The Kings are consistently in the playoffs, have a solid team that could be great with a true offensive force like Panarin added.

This makes LA a very serious threat down the stretch this year, and obviously is attractive in terms of climate and lifestyle for the player. If they end up re-signing him or going on a deep playoff run it's a win for LA for sure and isn't the worst for the Rangers in getting a young, league ready player with a lot of upside next season.

A. Panarin should be worth more than a 26OA that was a huge non factor in the World Juniors. I'd have expected a first plus Greentree.

B. The Kings are on a downward spiral, their prospects have not panned out, they are losing Kopitar and Doughty isn't far behind. Who is going to be his centre? Byfield? Laferriere? It's a dumb place to go for success. Not if he wants to make a big salary and not get pressured I suppose. And I suppose the opportunities for his wife are not far off of NYC.

EDIT: Just saw this is for just a 2 year contract? Dear me.

[Calgary Highlander]

Not chasing money. Not chasing winning.

I guess Gaudreau did the same thing, but it still surprises you when you see it.

[Enoch Root]

Really hope it ends up being Greentree + 2nd + 4th

Because that will mean neither VGS nor EDM will make the conf final

(unless they take the route through the Central, and good luck with that)

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Calgary Highlander

Not chasing money. Not chasing winning.

I guess Gaudreau did the same thing, but it still surprises you when you see it.

Gaudreau thought he was chasing a retirement contract with his hometown team, and was left scrambling when they turned out not to want him. Kind of a strange situation in a lot of respects.

This just looks to me like Panarin wants to retire in L.A. while still collecting a fat NHL salary. I don't think this will age well at all unless Greentree busts.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A. Panarin should be worth more than a 26OA that was a huge non factor in the World Juniors. I'd have expected a first plus Greentree.

B. The Kings are on a downward spiral, their prospects have not panned out, they are losing Kopitar and Doughty isn't far behind. Who is going to be his centre? Byfield? Laferriere? It's a dumb place to go for success. Not if he wants to make a big salary and not get pressured I suppose. And I suppose the opportunities for his wife are not far off of NYC.

EDIT: Just saw this is for just a 2 year contract? Dear me.

I expect he would have happily gone to TB or FLA instead, but they didn’t have the cap space to extend him.

When it comes to chances to win, players don’t really rank teams very granularly. There are a handful of contenders at the top, some crappy/rebuilding teams at the bottom, and then everyone else is roughly equivalent.

[SuperMatt18]

Do Kings try to really push all in for Kadri? Could use another top 9 center now and were rumoured to have some interest and still have cap space.

[Cheese]

Im no scout, but Ive watched Greentree quite a bit here in KW when his junior team came to town and in last years playoffs. He is very dangerous in the O Zone but slow of foot and not great defensively. Needs a lot of work to make the show. Doesnt say much if he was the best LA prospect.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Do Kings try to really push all in for Kadri? Could use another top 9 center now and were rumoured to have some interest and still have cap space.

I think that is the next move for them. I get that the Kings aren't a contender, but they just added Panarin for next to nothing and if they added Kadri it wouldn't cost them the farm either. They should load up now.

They could buy low on Pettersen too.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Not a great deal for New York. I hear Greentree is really slow. Major mistake. ;-)

[TheIronMaiden]

I'd like to see LA double down and spend their 1st OA trying to add more firepower.

[Tbull8]

Kadri for the 1st and a prospect

[Shazam]

Two years? Is this team doing anything in the next two years?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Im no scout, but Ive watched Greentree quite a bit here in KW when his junior team came to town and in last years playoffs. He is very dangerous in the O Zone but slow of foot and not great defensively. Needs a lot of work to make the show. Doesnt say much if he was the best LA prospect.

I be-leaf you.

[Matty81]

They'll add one more big name for sure whether it is this deadline or over the summer... they have a ton of cap space still for next year and are clearly not ready to retool or rebuild yet. Maybe they go after Trocheck if the GMs seem to be working well together and have some understanding. I'd love it if they went after Kadri

Between Kempe, Fiala, Byfield and Panarin if they could add one more top 6er their forward corps is decent enough to fence with Edmonton and Vegas next year imo, not better than them but still in the mix and could go well with some breaks. Perry, Kuzmenko and Laferriere behind them too so some secondary scoring. And I think they have decent goalies.

I just don't ever see that d corps being good enough to make an extended run. Doughty for me is nowhere near the player he used to be at this stage in his career and after him there isn't a lot there... it's not San Jose D bad but it's not great either.

I could see them overpaying massively for Tuch but they definitely need a center too

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Matty81

They'll add one more big name for sure whether it is this deadline or over the summer... they have a ton of cap space still for next year and are clearly not ready to retool or rebuild yet. Maybe they go after Trocheck if the GMs seem to be working well together and have some understanding. I'd love it if they went after Kadri

Between Kempe, Fiala, Byfield and Panarin if they could add one more top 6er their forward corps is decent enough to fence with Edmonton and Vegas next year imo, not better than them but still in the mix and could go well with some breaks. Perry, Kuzmenko and Laferriere behind them too so some secondary scoring. And I think they have decent goalies.

I just don't ever see that d corps being good enough to make an extended run. Doughty for me is nowhere near the player he used to be at this stage in his career and after him there isn't a lot there... it's not San Jose D bad but it's not great either.

I could see them overpaying massively for Tuch but they definitely need a center too

I think they get a center this year. It's not the best-looking team on paper long term, but Panarin is still a legit 90-to-100-point guy. They just added him for free. The Kings are a decent team, and they just added their best player.

With the RS, they could ditch Kuzmenko in a deal to add a center. Kopitar would be perfect in the 3rd line role in the playoffs. They could be as good as any team in the pacific IMO. Their PP has been very bad and they just added Panarin. They play hard, just do not have talent.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I just don't ever see that d corps being good enough to make an extended run. Doughty for me is nowhere near the player he used to be at this stage in his career and after him there isn't a lot there... it's not San Jose D bad but it's not great either.

It's weird because that d-core isn't flashy - but also is first in 5v5 GA this year, 3rd in All Situation GA, and 5th in All Situation xGA.

So they've been solid defensively. Ceci, Dumouling, and Edmundson area also all those type of dmen that have bad advanced stats, aren't great regular season dmen, but tend to be more effective in the playoffs.

Add Kadri and Panarin to add more offensive pop and you might have a shot.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by wireframe

Woah. The retention alone should be worth the 3rd and 4th. Panarin for Greentree straight trade is very light return on the best F rental on the market

It's only cap hit, Rags paid Panarin a $7m bonus in July and there was only about $400k in real money left on his contract

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Ya. Sounds like he is more interested in retiring in LA than actually trying to win.

I love the call out in the tweets that the Rangers got the best prospect in the Kings system. So much for all those posters who talk about players not wanting the trade to gut their new team's futures.

Not sure what posters you are talking about but my point has been that teams just entering their contention window are not going to want to trade big future pieces just yet.

LA is different though. They are on the verge of a failed re-build. They don't have much coming in the pipeline. The fact that Greentree, who is meh, is there best prospect is evidence of this.

Greentree doesn't change much about their future. If this re-build fails (as I think it is) they've got a long road ahead. This deal seems to be an effort to try and squeeze something out of this re-build for a couple years.

TLDR: I don't think LA is gutting future because they already don't have a positive one.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's weird because that d-core isn't flashy - but also is first in 5v5 GA this year, 3rd in All Situation GA, and 5th in All Situation xGA.

So they've been solid defensively. Ceci, Dumouling, and Edmundson area also all those type of dmen that have bad advanced stats, aren't great regular season dmen, but tend to be more effective in the playoffs.

Add Kadri and Panarin to add more offensive pop and you might have a shot.

They lost to the Oilers 3 years in a row and all 3 years they were the better team 5 on 5 and the series were close in the 1st 2 years.

They couldn't stop the Oilers PP, and they couldn't buy a goal on the PP. Panarin is a great fit for this team.

There is no reason to think this team adding Panarin will just hurt someone else already producing on this team. It will be a straight gain.