[PGT] Flames 1 @ Golden Knights 6

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Agreed, but this team has longer term roster issues to think of. Sharky is not a day to day NHLer. Joel is fading his way out of the NHL. Kerins and Stromgren are question marks - what else can they learn in the AHL?

It's like the Miro and Bean talk. We just need to rip that band aid off. Solo, Kuz and Gru are better investements.

There's no reason to exaggerate. Farabee is one of the team leaders in pretty much every chance metric there is and Sharangovich is more than established as a day-to-day NHLer. This is not Miromanov or Bean; Neither guy should be immune to coming out to change things up but there's also no reason why they should be the only focal points when the vast majority of the team has struggled in the exact same ways.

That said, I'd definitely like to see Kerins get the call. He's earned it.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Gridin scored less than a minute into his first Wranglers game.

Its a good thing we're keeping the talent down if we want to lose.

[Goriders]

6 games played. Some stats.

Wolf 0.854 save % 4.37 GAA

Team Winning % 0.167 on pace for 27 points. Least ever 39 atlanta thrashers.

Goals for 10. On pace for 137. Least ever 150.

We’re in unchartered territory

[DoubleK]

It hasn't been easy for me to watch the Flames as a function of where I decided to live.

Was happy to see Parekh play live tonight. He exceeded my expectations. He is not as gifted as Makar, but gives off serious Letang/Spurgoen vibes. There is no doubt he is a legit top pairing RHS D.

If Huska can't see that Parekh need to be playing a regular shift with the same partner, he needs to be fired into the sun. The shift chart for the D tonight defies explanation. It is service in random order. Everyone was playing with everyone else, without rhyme or reason.

Parekh needs minutes, nor whatever that nonsense was tonight.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

There's no reason to exaggerate. Farabee is one of the team leaders in pretty much every chance metric there is and Sharangovich is more than established as a day-to-day NHLer. This is not Miromanov or Bean; Neither guy should be immune to coming out to change things up but there's also no reason why they should be the only focal points when the vast majority of the team has struggled in the exact same ways.

That said, I'd definitely like to see Kerins get the call. He's earned it.

Farabee is deeeep into a funk that is 100% mental. Two seasons? More? All his hard work is not getting him goals. It should. It might. But it isn't. That's the only fact that matters. He is overpaid to be a checking winger. His next contract will be a 1 year show me, unless he figures this out. Huska doesn't have the toolset to fix him (at least so far).

Sharangovich was also a reclamation at the time. He works well in a very narrow set of conditions. It looks like efforts to evolve him into a complete NHLer are failing. The new contract was a mistake in hindsight. GMCC likes to get commitments early, but that is starting to look naive - the bets he made on reclamations and early extensions are not paying off.

I hope you are right, but for now we can agree to disagree.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

There's no reason to exaggerate. Farabee is one of the team leaders in pretty much every chance metric there is and Sharangovich is more than established as a day-to-day NHLer. This is not Miromanov or Bean; Neither guy should be immune to coming out to change things up but there's also no reason why they should be the only focal points when the vast majority of the team has struggled in the exact same ways.

That said, I'd definitely like to see Kerins get the call. He's earned it.

Sharangovich has been scratch-worthy for nearly a season at this point.

Doesn't win battles for pucks.
Isn't getting carried by an unsustainable shooting percentage.
Isn't a defensive guru.

Sharangovich is the player NJD scratched in the playoffs. Flames mistakenly bought on an unsustainable shooting percentage. He's near-useless when he isn't scoring, and he hasn't been scoring for some time.

[TheScorpion]

Again, though, neither of you have addressed the underlying point. These two individual players are not the cause of the issue, their struggles are merely symptoms of it. If they're scratching everyone who has been scratch-worthy then they'll have a hard time filling two forward lines.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Again, though, neither of you have addressed the underlying point. These two individual players are not the cause of the issue, their struggles are merely symptoms of it. If they're scratching everyone who has been scratch-worthy then they'll have a hard time filling two forward lines.

I'm not worried about them not scratching Sharangovich. I'm fine with him in the roster (it's tank help), I just don't think it can be fairly stated that he's an everyday NHL'er, because outside of the contractual obligation - he hasn't earned his spot. Our coaching staff and his contract are what is keeping him in the lineup...he's playing like a guy who would get cut from a PTO.

[TheScorpion]

Ok. But the whole point is that the struggles we're seeing from Sharangovich and Farabee are not unique to them, as evidenced by the entire team having scored just 10 goals in six games. Unless you disagree?

Like, you're going to scratch either of those guys to elevate Zary? Or Klapka? Or Lomberg? Or Kirkland? Does anyone have any other deck chairs we can shuffle?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Ok. But the whole point is that the struggles we're seeing from Sharangovich and Farabee are not unique to them, as evidenced by the entire team having scored just 10 goals in six games. Unless you disagree?

Like, you're going to scratch either of those guys to elevate Zary? Or Klapka? Or Lomberg? Or Kirkland? Does anyone have any other deck chairs we can shuffle?

Some posters are singling out a few players who are being paid to produce some goals. None of the players you mention are expected to do that.

People like to say that it makes sense to send young skilled players down when there aren't top 9 minutes available with the big club. It's still very early, but most of the Flames top 9 has been bad. Would guys like Kerins and Gridin benefit from top 9 minutes with the Flames at some point? That's the debate.

Those guys aren't saving the season so if it's me, I'm giving it at least 20+ games of seeing if the vets can pick it up.

As others have said, they might benefit from more stability in their roles and linemates. And a guy like Kadri really needs to start leading on the ice.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Ok. But the whole point is that the struggles we're seeing from Sharangovich and Farabee are not unique to them, as evidenced by the entire team having scored just 10 goals in six games. Unless you disagree?

Like, you're going to scratch either of those guys to elevate Zary? Or Klapka? Or Lomberg? Or Kirkland? Does anyone have any other deck chairs we can shuffle?

Yeah, I’d absolutely scratch Sharangovich or make him the 4th line centre to elevate Zary. Every day.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Bieksa just said to get rid of Sharangovich and that he is a disgrace to the NHL.

Is there a clip of Bieksa’s comments?

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, I’d absolutely scratch Sharangovich or make him the 4th line centre to elevate Zary. Every day.

The Zary situation is a bit odd right now. Usage and ice time are not ideal and I hope that changes quickly with this teams trajectory.

[WhiteTiger]

Ouch. Ah, well.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Vedder

The Zary situation is a bit odd right now. Usage and ice time are not ideal and I hope that changes quickly with this teams trajectory.

It’s not super odd, people have been overvaluing Zary here for a long time. He’s likely a 3rd liner that could step up to second line if injuries make it a requirement. He isn’t a top 6.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Bieksa just said to get rid of Sharangovich and that he is a disgrace to the NHL.

Ha ha ha.

Funny cause it’s true.

[Mathgod]

I don't know. Every game has either been a back to back or vs the cup favorite.

Seems a tad early to be writing the season off.

[Rhett44]

A bit of vindication early on for team tank/rebuild too.

Team retool claimed we actually could just retool on the fly and that we are much better than what our eyes are actually seeing. But a 1-5 start squashes that theory real fast. We have nothing to retool around.

Wolf camouflaged how God awful this roster really was last year. They can't score to save their life. With league average goaltending last year, this was a bottom 3 team. And they will be again this year unless Wolf carries us again.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Zamboniman

Not to be pessimistic or anything, but I'm beginning to think this team isn't an absolute lock for the Stanley Cup this year.

Yeah, you know it's rough when Bet365 aren't even offering a big loss early payout

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

A bit of vindication early on for team tank/rebuild too.

Team retool claimed we actually could just retool on the fly and that we are much better than what our eyes are actually seeing. But a 1-5 start squashes that theory real fast. We have nothing to retool around.

Wolf camouflaged how God awful this roster really was last year. They can't score to save their life. With league average goaltending last year, this was a bottom 3 team. And they will be again this year unless Wolf carries us again.

By American Thanksgiving we'll know for sure...and then the debate can morph into...did we do this on purpose? Is our management/ownership right to steward this rebuild?