What causes road rage?

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by GGG

I don’t live in California

May want to update your location.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

If it doesn't mention the minimum speed then that means there isn't one. You can't impede traffic.

No idea what you're even arguing anymore you keep changing the arguing points. You went from the guy doing 30 under the limit is technically correct to talking about merging.

What are you talking about. I said the only place in the drivers handbook that talks about going traffic speed is merging and slow moving vehicles needing a sign.

You need to define impeding traffic now with the legal definition in the act. It would also help if you referenced any cases where a person just cruising a long at 30 below the limit was convicted of something. The person doing 30 under in the right lane is not breaking the law.

Funny enough I changed my location to California when someone was attacking Calipanthersfan for pretending to be from California. Now I can’t change it back without providing my real name to CP so California it is. I wanted to change it to Zarys Moms House but alas no sophomoric humor for me.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Did the yellow Ford have truck nuts? If not, I wouldn't buy that it was GGG.


But seriously you people are all stupid. If you get stuck behind someone doing 85 kph when you want to be going 110 kph, it will cost you 10 seconds for every km. But unless traffic is heavy (in which case you're going nowhere fast) it's highly unlikely you'll be "stuck" for more than a km or two. So just chill out and go #### yourselves.

On long haul driving it can be slightly more impactful, but we still perceive those few kms behind a slow RV to be a much bigger problem than it actually is.

No truck nuts.

Where did I say going slightly below the limit in some places is the issue? It's erratic behavior of people blocking traffic and than gunning it full out when someone attempts to pass that is offside. If you want to drive 10 below the limit and suggested speeds and are consistent in that no problem. It's the guy who gets a line of 10 cars going 70 outside Revelstoke than floors it to 135 in the passing lane that's 500 meters who's being dangerous in my view. That's where you get 2 cars at 150 trying to merge back after the lane has ended with oncoming traffic than see that car hammer the brakes back to 75.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by GGG

What are you talking about. I said the only place in the drivers handbook that talks about going traffic speed is merging and slow moving vehicles needing a sign.

You need to define impeding traffic now with the legal definition in the act. It would also help if you referenced any cases where a person just cruising a long at 30 below the limit was convicted of something. The person doing 30 under in the right lane is not breaking the law.

Funny enough I changed my location to California when someone was attacking Calipanthersfan for pretending to be from California. Now I can’t change it back without providing my real name to CP so California it is. I wanted to change it to Zarys Moms House but alas no sophomoric humor for me.

You may want to read up on laws before making statements like the only place they talk about traffic speed is merging. There's literally a whole section for it.

Pay particular attention to (c)


Driving at appropriate speed

2(1) A person shall not do any of the following:

(a) notwithstanding that a speed limit is prescribed by or pursuant to the Act or any other Act in respect of a highway, drive a vehicle on that highway at any rate of speed that is unreasonable having regard to all the circumstances, including without restricting the generality of the foregoing, the following:

(i) the nature, condition and use of the highway;

(ii) the atmospheric, weather or other conditions that might affect the visibility of the driver or the control of the vehicle;

(iii) the amount of traffic that is or that might reasonably be expected to be on the highway;

(iv) the mechanical condition of the vehicle or any equipment on the vehicle;

(b) subject to this Part and Part 2, where a highway that is located outside an urban area has 2 or more traffic lanes on the same side of the centre line for use by vehicles travelling in the same direction, drive a vehicle in the traffic lane nearest the centre line unless the vehicle is being driven at or near the maximum speed permitted;

(c) drive a vehicle at such a slow rate of speed so as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic then existing on a highway except when it is necessary to do so for the safe operation of the vehicle or to comply with Parts 1 and 2.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

You may want to read up on laws before making statements like the only place they talk about traffic speed is merging. There's literally a whole section for it.

Pay particular attention to (c)


Driving at appropriate speed

2(1) A person shall not do any of the following:

(a) notwithstanding that a speed limit is prescribed by or pursuant to the Act or any other Act in respect of a highway, drive a vehicle on that highway at any rate of speed that is unreasonable having regard to all the circumstances, including without restricting the generality of the foregoing, the following:

(i) the nature, condition and use of the highway;

(ii) the atmospheric, weather or other conditions that might affect the visibility of the driver or the control of the vehicle;

(iii) the amount of traffic that is or that might reasonably be expected to be on the highway;

(iv) the mechanical condition of the vehicle or any equipment on the vehicle;

(b) subject to this Part and Part 2, where a highway that is located outside an urban area has 2 or more traffic lanes on the same side of the centre line for use by vehicles travelling in the same direction, drive a vehicle in the traffic lane nearest the centre line unless the vehicle is being driven at or near the maximum speed permitted;

(c) drive a vehicle at such a slow rate of speed so as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic then existing on a highway except when it is necessary to do so for the safe operation of the vehicle or to comply with Parts 1 and 2.

Did I say the traffic act? I said the drivers handbook for Alberta. I was waiting for you to post this clause. In general you get board and don’t follow up.

Now show where the courts interpreted that driving 30km/h below the posted limit in the right hand lane meets the criteria set out in C.

Also safe operation of a vehicle will be given a lot of leeway here. I guy doing 80 in the right lane of the highway to Edmonton is not getting pulled over. It’s a routine occurrence.

[Bunk]

We are, for some reason, the worst versions of ourselves behind the wheel.

I think it’s a combination of the anonymity and impersonal nature of being in a metal and glass cocoon, and the act of just trying to get somewhere as fast and smoothly as possible that makes us impatient and irritated.

Either way, it is a recipe for disaster from a public safety point of view.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by GGG

Did I say the traffic act? I said the drivers handbook for Alberta. I was waiting for you to post this clause. In general you get board and don’t follow up.

Now show where the courts interpreted that driving 30km/h below the posted limit in the right hand lane meets the criteria set out in C.

Also safe operation of a vehicle will be given a lot of leeway here. I guy doing 80 in the right lane of the highway to Edmonton is not getting pulled over. It’s a routine occurrence.

I don't get bored I get annoyed arguing with someone like you that argues in bad faith. You twist every word to make your argument seem reasonable when it's a ridiculous one from the start.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

I don't get bored I get annoyed arguing with someone like you that argues in bad faith. You twist every word to make your argument seem reasonable when it's a ridiculous one from the start.

Sounds like forum rage

[Samonadreau]

The crotch rockets are the worst. It's insane more of them aren't accidentally hit by people changing lanes when they zip by doing 50+k over. Not necessarily road rage related but more dumbass related.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Bunk

We are, for some reason, the worst versions of ourselves behind the wheel.

I think it’s a combination of the anonymity and impersonal nature of being in a metal and glass cocoon, and the act of just trying to get somewhere as fast and smoothly as possible that makes us impatient and irritated.

Either way, it is a recipe for disaster from a public safety point of view.

We are, for some reason, the worst versions of ourselves behind the keyboard on CalgaryPuck Off Topic Forum.

I think it’s a combination of the anonymity and impersonal nature of being behind a glass and plastic screen, and the act of just trying to convey an opinion as fast and smoothly as possible that makes us impatient and irritated.

Either way, it is a recipe for disaster from a public discourse point of view.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

No truck nuts.

Where did I say going slightly below the limit in some places is the issue? It's erratic behavior of people blocking traffic and than gunning it full out when someone attempts to pass that is offside. If you want to drive 10 below the limit and suggested speeds and are consistent in that no problem. It's the guy who gets a line of 10 cars going 70 outside Revelstoke than floors it to 135 in the passing lane that's 500 meters who's being dangerous in my view. That's where you get 2 cars at 150 trying to merge back after the lane has ended with oncoming traffic than see that car hammer the brakes back to 75.

Absurd hyperbole. Nobody's going 70-135-75. It's more like 85-110-90. Which certainly feels annoying, but its costing you WAAAAAAY less time than your brain perceives in the moment.

I suspect a lot of it is also derived from tailgating by following drivers. When being tailgated it is good practice to slow down a bit, to reduce your risk from the jackhole behind you. Now once the passing lane comes there are three possibilities:

1. the lead driver speeds up because now the road feels safer to them
2. the lead driver speeds up because they want to get away from the tailgater (the non-analytical people who have like a semester and half at Seton Hall and understand highway driving, as a concept)
3. the lead driver speeds up because #### that tailgater

Its ####ing embarrassing that most people accept the tailgater as the lesser of the evils compared to somebody driving a bit under the MAXIMUM speed limit (and yes 99% of the time its just a bit under...y'all have just ####ed your brains for perceived speeds).


Lastly, its not hard to pass these people. You're just as big of a struggler as Gerald up there in his Ford Taurus who likes to spin it up to 110 when the road gets straight. You must be tailgating and losing out to the concertina effect. If you instead back off to a reasonable following distance you get a better view of the road and can build up speed relative to Gerald before you pull out of his slipstream.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Absurd hyperbole. Nobody's going 70-135-75. It's more like 85-110-90. Which certainly feels annoying, but its costing you WAAAAAAY less time than your brain perceives in the moment.

I suspect a lot of it is also derived from tailgating by following drivers. When being tailgated it is good practice to slow down a bit, to reduce your risk from the jackhole behind you. Now once the passing lane comes there are three possibilities:

1. the lead driver speeds up because now the road feels safer to them
2. the lead driver speeds up because they want to get away from the tailgater (the non-analytical people who have like a semester and half at Seton Hall and understand highway driving, as a concept)
3. the lead driver speeds up because #### that tailgater

Its ####ing embarrassing that most people accept the tailgater as the lesser of the evils compared to somebody driving a bit under the MAXIMUM speed limit (and yes 99% of the time its just a bit under...y'all have just ####ed your brains for perceived speeds).


Lastly, its not hard to pass these people. You're just as big of a struggler as Gerald up there in his Ford Taurus who likes to spin it up to 110 when the road gets straight. You must be tailgating and losing out to the concertina effect. If you instead back off to a reasonable following distance you get a better view of the road and can build up speed relative to Gerald before you pull out of his slipstream.

I get the impression that you've never driven on a two lane major hiway that's not in Saskatchewan before.

Get over yourself. Your "suspicion" is deadwrong. In fact another thing I don't like is when people tailgate each other and no one will pass. If you don't want to pass fine, but back off.

Enjoy your high horse.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Absurd hyperbole. Nobody's going 70-135-75. It's more like 85-110-90. Which certainly feels annoying, but its costing you WAAAAAAY less time than your brain perceives in the moment.

I suspect a lot of it is also derived from tailgating by following drivers. When being tailgated it is good practice to slow down a bit, to reduce your risk from the jackhole behind you. Now once the passing lane comes there are three possibilities:

1. the lead driver speeds up because now the road feels safer to them
2. the lead driver speeds up because they want to get away from the tailgater (the non-analytical people who have like a semester and half at Seton Hall and understand highway driving, as a concept)
3. the lead driver speeds up because #### that tailgater

Its ####ing embarrassing that most people accept the tailgater as the lesser of the evils compared to somebody driving a bit under the MAXIMUM speed limit (and yes 99% of the time its just a bit under...y'all have just ####ed your brains for perceived speeds).


Lastly, its not hard to pass these people. You're just as big of a struggler as Gerald up there in his Ford Taurus who likes to spin it up to 110 when the road gets straight. You must be tailgating and losing out to the concertina effect. If you instead back off to a reasonable following distance you get a better view of the road and can build up speed relative to Gerald before you pull out of his slipstream.

I get where you’re coming from but I have been behind people going a legitimate 25-30 below the speed limit.

To add to that, in searching for some stats on impeding traffic, I came across article out of Regina where police were talking about impeding traffic, and noted instances where someone was going 73 in a 100 and 20 in a 50.

These things can and do happen, and they are illegal.

[Sylvanfan]

If we're going to use the natural driving instincts excuse to slow down...does it apply to someone who rips through the 70 zone in Jasper at 95 because it's wide and open and most people will want to drive around 90? Or in Banff where it's 90 despite it being the same highway as outside the park? Last time I drove that road with my cruise set just over 100 I was definitely slower than 50% of the vehicles going that way. I guess I was the jackhole that day.

[PsYcNeT]

What causes road rage/aggressive driving?

ADHD mostly.

[TorqueDog]

In my own experience, I find I tend to get more annoyed at fellow motorists in my SUV than in my sports car, even though my 'fun and spirited' driving happens in the latter and the SUV is more of a comfortable, rolling lounge. My music, hell the entire experience is more chill in the SUV, but drivers are seemingly more frustrating when I'm in it, and I think I've figured it out.

In the car, I can usually not see much ahead of the vehicle in front. It's low. I have a better chance seeing if their rear mufflers are corroded than anything happening in front. Ignorance is bliss.

Whereas in the SUV, I have a full, commanding view of their sheer ineptitude, idiocy, and lack of confidence on the road.
- I can see there is an entire right lane available for you in front of that parked car to go into to make your turn, but you insist on leaving your fat inconsiderate ass hanging into the straight-ahead lane such that no one else can safely go around you and get through this traffic light.
- The alternate of the first, I can see you do have enough space to safely pass a turning vehicle and proceed straight-on, but you refuse to because you bought a vehicle that is too big for you to estimate width and you clearly think you're maneuvering a bloody aircraft carrier down 8th Street SW.
- I can see there is half a football field of space in front of you to proceed through this intersection, yet you insist on going 15 KM/H as the light is counting down because you've suddenly began pondering if putting googly-eyes on a French baguette qualifies it as a pet (or something similarly unrelated to pressing the goddamned accelerator).
- I can see there is no one else in front of you nor beside you, but you won't move your ass over and get out of the left-hand lane -- despite the long queue of vehicles behind you -- because in ten minutes there will eventually be someone going slower than you in the other lane and this just seems like the most efficient way to do things.

I try to hold myself to a reasonably high standard on the road when it comes to being considerate because the last thing I want to be is that slow, spaced-out, inconsiderate ass that everyone hates driving behind; I try and get my ass out of the way if someone is going faster than me on the higher at the first opportunity. I make sure I get my vehicle into the turning lane in its entirety where possible, and I proceed as soon as it is safe and legal to do so. And when people don't do those things and I can see how bad they are at driving, it is a royal nuisance and makes me hope you have tables with sharp corners at home and you bounce your toes off of them at full velocity every chance you get for the rest of time.


Larger vehicles apparently do have an association with more aggressive behaviour, but I don't think 'perceived sense of power and safety' alone are the entire story when you consider, again, that the driver can actually see everything else going on in front of them.

At least I don't do dangerous, stupid sh-t in retaliation. Usually just sigh "what a f--kin' idiot" and get on with the drive.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Well if you drive 25 under the speed limit in the no passing zone and try to gun it to 20 over when its allowed, that's kind of ######y in my view. Especially since they tend to crank it up to 130 in passing lanes than as soon as it ends back to 75 when there's a double solid line.

But I'm sure many on this forum think that's perfectly acceptable. Now that I'm old...I really don't love trying to crank it up to 150 to pass these a-holes. I tend to find a spot to pull over and wait 10 minutes and hope to the next wave of traffic does not feature this type of driver.

The drive through the mountains is so frustrating.

Roger's Pass is probably the worst. 80km/h, then for some reason speeding up to 120km/h when the passing lane hits. I always find myself going 140km/h just to pass the slow cars.

[Cappy]

So much of my frustration just comes from people not paying attention.

You are driving. Pay attention to your surroundings and we can all get their a little more efficiently. Know the rules around four way stops and drive with some authority so we arent all waiting for you to creep through the middle.

My wife will got on my ass in the car, typical grabbing my arm when the car in front hits the breaks etc. Yeah, babe, i see it because i am actually paying attention to my surroundings.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Cappy

The drive through the mountains is so frustrating.

Roger's Pass is probably the worst. 80km/h, then for some reason speeding up to 120km/h when the passing lane hits. I always find myself going 140km/h just to pass the slow cars.

It's the worst, because there's always someone who passes the car in front of them as slowly as possible. I think the change in speed comes down to perception of safety; a single lane in your direction of travel 'feels' inherently less safe so people go slower on them, while that second lane opening up gives a feeling of space and safety. When in reality, neither the lanes nor the shoulders got any wider and that driver is just a dumb-ass.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cappy

The drive through the mountains is so frustrating.

Roger's Pass is probably the worst. 80km/h, then for some reason speeding up to 120km/h when the passing lane hits. I always find myself going 140km/h just to pass the slow cars.

That’s just it.

I don’t care if you want to go 80. Good for you. I don’t, but again, good for you. All I ask is that if you’ve determined 80 is a safe speed, then go 80 regardless. Don’t punch up to 120 in the passing lane so everybody who wants to go the speed limit has to drive like a maniac to get around you.

I will almost always wait for the passing lane. And, to my own detriment sometimes, I will let someone behind me who clearly wants to go even faster go ahead of me, even if that means I don’t make it past the idiot who is going to slow down to 80.

Because I’m aware of my surroundings, take driving seriously, and want not just myself but everyone around me to get to their destination safely.