Seeing the victory lap by the blue check crew over wokeness was predictable.
The Target/Bud light "losses" story is just simply not rooted in reality. Yes, their market cap went down, but that doesn't reflect a slow-down in sales the right-wingers think it does. ABEV's market cap is over $50B this week, 'recouping' and surpassing those so-called losses. Target is down, but CPG is all over the place right now. Correlation is not causation.
As Mrs. Slocombe would say: "Weak as water." regarding the NHL BoG
Yowzers. Pretty liberal use of the broad brush to swipe at the blue checkmarks whoever that is.
I think you mean AB inbev which owns Anheuser-Busch. And Bud lite sales are absolutely still affected and are down -23.9% for week to memorial day and down -26.8% for week to June 10. Those are big moves. Consumer staples aren't normally all over the place like that. And ABEV stock has outperformed BUD by over 25% this year.
I see this more as a few weaklings not wearing jerseys and making it uncomfortable for the owners and teammates to have to answer questions.
Honest question....why invoke the bud lite issue and try to connect it here? Are people boycotting games? I assume ticket sales on pride nights are pretty much in line with non event night games, but that would be interesting to find out for sure. The recent dodgers pride night game that was supposed to be boycotted had higher than normal tickets sales.
You could be right in that the league is trying to do what BUD is doing now....just stick their heads in the sand and avoid the conversation as much as possible.
FWIW, i think they force all players to wear the jerseys no matter what the cause and let them file a grievance and embarrass themselves if they have a problem. It's a jersey. Doesn't mean you live your life one way or another. It just means you care a little to make others feel included. What is wrong with that?
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I've been attending pride events since I was 12. And I loved the pride logo for the flames. I basically bought all the merch.
Yet if my employer pushed me to wear a pride insignia or other type of political or cultural uniform, I'd tell them to #### right off. No one should push me to show support for anything, not even for the things I believe in. It's not my employer's place to tell me what social causes to support or what social causes I should be seen supporting.
An employer trying to capitalize on my personal identity - including my social views - is bull####.
Considering that there was a rally in downtown Calgary a few weekends ago in which a featured speaker called for LGBTQ+ be strung up and thrown in the river, the Flames are merely reflecting community values.
People just have different beliefs and some players just don't want to outwardly "celebrate" something that goes against their religious beliefs, although I tend to think it has more to do with left/right politics than actual religion. But even recently, Russian athletes/teams were banned from sporting events, was there a cry that this is not inclusive to the local Russian community? No, because politics is the new religion for many. If the NHL announced a Russian Celebration jersey to honor the history of Russians in the NHL , many more eyebrows would be raised by the public because of the current geopolitical situation.
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People just have different beliefs and some players just don't want to outwardly "celebrate" something that goes against their religious beliefs, although I tend to think it has more to do with left/right politics than actual religion. But even recently, Russian athletes/teams were banned from sporting events, was there a cry that this is not inclusive to the local Russian community? No, because politics is the new religion for many. If the NHL announced a Russian Celebration jersey to honor the history of Russians in the NHL , many more eyebrows would be raised by the public because of the current geopolitical situation.
I have consistently argued that they should be allowed to participate in all these hockey competitions. Honoring the history of Russians in the NHL isn't honoring some politician. Just like wearing one of the existing special jerseys doesn't necessarily mean you are one of them.
Incidentally, this announcement coincided with Qatari investment (a country that punishes homosexuals with death) in one of the leagues more prominent franchises.
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My pride jersey I won in the auction earlier this year cost me a ton of money. But haven't cared about the amount once because whenever I look at it I feel better about myself.
Feels hollow as hell right now.
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Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about.
As a queer person this makes me feel less welcome as an NHL fan with the number of people on social media that are celebrating this move. How sad how far we have to go in 2023.
You should feel welcome as an NHL fan, as a member on CP and in the community. I'd have a beer with you and talk hockey. This isn't black and white when it comes to these specific things for everybody., even within the community. People within the LGBTQ community openly talk about. Straight people don't agree on the same issues all the time. Forget social media at the same time, people don't have the guts to say the same things in person.
Where the NHL made the decision to go is a reflection of the challenges that we are faced as a society, a society where we are openly discussing everything all the time. People don't agree. They are trying to avoid a situation where they are cornered and have to make even more unpopular decisions.
I used the example before about other minority players and players of faiths that aren't as tolerant as some. It's a valid question. For all intensive purposes **** the white Canadian hockey players, we are trying to grow the game with other people in the community. Hockey is for everybody they say.
How do we deal with people who want to extract maximum punishment on an NHL player of a minority group, should they be punished? Is a minority NHL player who quietly and respectfully doesn't wear a Pride jersey for their particular reasons in the same category as someone who is spewing their hate in the media and online? Do we deal with them the same way?
I'll admit, I don't have the answers. Perhaps as you say, I don't know what I am talking about and that's fine. I don't think a lot of people have the proper answers either and that's ok. I am not big into corporations doing all these causes all the time these days, and that goes across the board for a ton of causes. I don't like being pacified and bull ****ted but that's me cause I see the hypocrisy in it, other's soak it all up.
I do really mean it though when I say you should feel welcomed in hockey, on CP and more. It's a community and people agree and disagree and that's fine.
You should feel welcome as an NHL fan, as a member on CP and in the community. I'd have a beer with you and talk hockey. This isn't black and white when it comes to these specific things for everybody., even within the community. People within the LGBTQ community openly talk about. Straight people don't agree on the same issues all the time. Forget social media at the same time, people don't have the guts to say the same things in person.
Where the NHL made the decision to go is a reflection of the challenges that we are faced as a society, a society where we are openly discussing everything all the time. People don't agree. They are trying to avoid a situation where they are cornered and have to make even more unpopular decisions.
I used the example before about other minority players and players of faiths that aren't as tolerant as some. It's a valid question. For all intensive purposes **** the white Canadian hockey players, we are trying to grow the game with other people in the community. Hockey is for everybody they say.
How do we deal with people who want to extract maximum punishment on an NHL player of a minority group, should they be punished? Is a minority NHL player who quietly and respectfully doesn't wear a Pride jersey for their particular reasons in the same category as someone who is spewing their hate in the media and online? Do we deal with them the same way?
I'll admit, I don't have the answers. Perhaps as you say, I don't know what I am talking about and that's fine. I don't think a lot of people have the proper answers either and that's ok. I am not big into corporations doing all these causes all the time these days, and that goes across the board for a ton of causes. I don't like being pacified and bull ****ted but that's me cause I see the hypocrisy in it, other's soak it all up.
I do really mean it though when I say you should feel welcomed in hockey, on CP and more. It's a community and people agree and disagree and that's fine.
You seem to think the backlash against the NHL for dropping the jerseys are some how focused on the white/Christian players? What do other minorities have anything to do with it? If they are intolerant, they are intolerant.
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You don’t have to embrace queer issues to wear those jerseys. They were a symbol to recognize that queer fans are welcome and queer players are welcome in the sport. The players who refused to wear the jerseys sent a message that those fans and players aren’t welcome.
I can pretty much guarantee that at least one of the players who refused to wear the jersey has or will have a queer son, daughter, niece, nephew, brother, or sister that saw their family member take a stand that told them that they aren’t safe being their authentic themselves around the family member that they probably admire the most. That message will be heard loud and clear by that queer person. To this day, I remember when my friends signed a petition to keep gay marriage illegal. It sticks with you.
Hockey has a very deep history of homophobia in the locker rooms and on the ice. It is been at every level of the game. So much of the hazing that happens at various levels is rooted in homophobia. They force each other to do sexual stuff to each other because it is doing gay stuff is considered to be the most shameful things that you can do as a young straight person.
As the face of hockey for most people, the NHL needs to be pushing forward on these issues but they’ve decided to essentially stand on the sidelines. It’s pretty sad.
You can be ideologically opposed to war but still wear jerseys to support the veterans who went through and may continue to go through hell or lost their lives. You don’t have to embrace war to care about the people involved.
Conservative Christians claim to “love the sinner but hate the sin” but every time that they have chance to show that love, they turn away. Why? Because they really don’t love the person. It’s the only possible explanation.
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