As gory as it sounds, it would be a lot better than sitting at the bottom of the ocean for 4 days in pitch black waiting for oxygen to run out. That would be horrifying. Like being buried alive.
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From reading and watching stuff about the USS Thresher accident it would be so quick your brain wouldn't even have time to register it.
That's why the USS Thresher incident is so terrifying to me. Just slowly sinking further into crush depth with another sub using passive sonar listening to a crew member bang on the inside of the hull, but not being able to do anything about it. Such a terrifying thought that the US Navy lied and classified it and said it was over quickly, the truth only came out a few years ago. Nightmare fuel
That's why the USS Thresher incident is so terrifying to me. Just slowly sinking further into crush depth with another sub using passive sonar listening to a crew member bang on the inside of the hull, but not being able to do anything about it. Such a terrifying thought that the US Navy lied and classified it and said it was over quickly, the truth only came out a few years ago. Nightmare fuel
This nightmare doesn’t register for me because there’s a 0% chance I’ll ever be on a submarine. For the Navy or as a tourist viewing 110 year old wreckage.
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That's why the USS Thresher incident is so terrifying to me. Just slowly sinking further into crush depth with another sub using passive sonar listening to a crew member bang on the inside of the hull, but not being able to do anything about it. Such a terrifying thought that the US Navy classified it and said it was over quickly, the truth only came out a few years ago. Nightmare fuel
It'd still be unpleasant as quick as it is.
From the atmosphere igniting, to your lungs and sinus cavities basically imploding. It would be a fairly quick but still outwordly terrible way to go.
The more I read, I don't hold out much hope unless the sub managed to surface, but if it did, it would have a GPS tracker that would in theory work when it hit the surface. Plus I would assume every satellite that can would be surface scanning.
If they got caught in the Titanic structure like the speculation is, they're on a very short clock.
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I'm assuming that they aren't in communication with the sub. I mean I get that I'm thinking too short of depth but an Ohio Class submarine uses VLF to be called to the surface using like a single letter.
Also you'd think a sub like that would have an "I'm dead Buoy" with a long cable attachment.
The concept of the I'm dead buoy is it could be released to the surface manually or in the event that the sub turtles, and it would store the subs last location on it.
I'm assuming that the first thing that the crew would do if they were alive would be to automatically go into battery saving mode, shut everything non essential off, turn the heat down to the bare minimum and reduce the o2 content in the atmosphere to preserve air.
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I doubt they have any of that equipment. This sub is made of home depot pipes for ballast and the guy bragged about using parts from RV world for things inside and they used a Logitech controller for piloting it. They don't even have a decent form of communication to the surface ship or a tether. Directions to the Titanic are relayed to them as a series of text messages from the rusty leased oilrig service boat they launch from.
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That's why the USS Thresher incident is so terrifying to me. Just slowly sinking further into crush depth with another sub using passive sonar listening to a crew member bang on the inside of the hull, but not being able to do anything about it. Such a terrifying thought that the US Navy lied and classified it and said it was over quickly, the truth only came out a few years ago. Nightmare fuel
More modern inquiries have debunked any of those noises as being man-made. Interestingly enough, for those that referenced the Ballard expeditions, it was also recently declassified that his mission to the Titanic was actually cover for a Navy mission to find and photograph the Thresher first.
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I doubt they have any of that equipment. This sub is made of home depot pipes for ballast and the guy bragged about using parts from RV world for things inside and they used a Logitech controller for piloting it. They don't even have a decent form of communication to the surface ship or a tether. Directions to the Titanic are relayed to them as a series of text messages from the rusty leased oilrig service boat they launch from.
If they are alive and at the bottom of the ocean, how would you like to be the company man piloting the thing. I imagine he or she isn't the most popular person there right now.
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If they are alive and at the bottom of the ocean, how would you like to be the company man piloting the thing. I imagine he or she isn't the most popular person there right now.
Shades of the Donner Party?
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I doubt they have any of that equipment. This sub is made of home depot pipes for ballast and the guy bragged about using parts from RV world for things inside and they used a Logitech controller for piloting it. They don't even have a decent form of communication to the surface ship or a tether. Directions to the Titanic are relayed to them as a series of text messages from the rusty leased oilrig service boat they launch from.
Ugh (not at you), but I went and read up on the submersible, yeah it does sound like a mad scientist home kit. Surprising there's no certification requirement for private submersibles.
But they designed it to be more like an elevator then a true submersible.
If they designed the ballast system out of basically home depot pipes, and they failed, that sub is never coming up.
I was reading on other submersibles where the vehicle is buoyancy positive, which means its slightly buoyant, then they can make it neutral or slightly negative with high pressure air to tanks. But they also have a really heavy weight attached, so when they surface they release the weight.
The designer claims that Nasa and other heavy hitters helped design it. But I have my doubts that any of them would go, yeah, sign off this is totally safe.
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The thing about NASA is space is easy relative to this. Only 100 kpa external pressure. Here you have 40000 Kpa of pressure. 400 times more force trying to crush it.
You also have the vacuum of space which is cold but not a long term corrosive nightmare and a conductor like sea water. Also in space you have space so you aren’t going to hit random stuff on the titanic.
This is a significantly more challenging environment.
The thing I really don’t understand here is why is this manned. Like going to space you get cool windows looking down at earth and weightlessness. Everest you are literally taller than anything around you and have made a physical accomplishment. But this is just sitting in a coffin fighting over the one 6” view port that doubles the toilet location. What’s the point. It’s not like you are there.
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It sounds like they haven't had a ping in quite some time from the sub, and its supposed to ping once every two hours. If there is a ping most competent sub search vehicles, would be able to locate the vessel with some degree of certainty. There's been no response to the text messages either.
They have seven ways to get to the surface even in the event of a complete power failure. Given that they haven't found it on the surface, it might have gotten snagged on something. which means that they can't drop weights or inflate balloons.
They have no food and no water outside of what the passengers bought with them.
the nightmare scenario, is even a pinhole in the pressure hull will kill everyone and sink the boat.
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The thing about NASA is space is easy relative to this. Only 100 kpa external pressure. Here you have 40000 Kpa of pressure. 400 times more force trying to crush it.
You also have the vacuum of space which is cold but not a long term corrosive nightmare and a conductor like sea water. Also in space you have space so you aren’t going to hit random stuff on the titanic.
This is a significantly more challenging environment.
The thing I really don’t understand here is why is this manned. Like going to space you get cool windows looking down at earth and weightlessness. Everest you are literally taller than anything around you and have made a physical accomplishment. But this is just sitting in a coffin fighting over the one 6” view port that doubles the toilet location. What’s the point. It’s not like you are there.
Same reason is Mount Everest lately - so wealthy people can pay a lot of money, go and say they've done that while leaving trash everywhere and dying at a rate of 5-10 per year while waiting in line to get to the top.
They are basically at the Titanic and they can see through the window with their own eyes. Otherwise yes, the rest of us are fine looking at the Titanic on Youtube.
The thing about NASA is space is easy relative to this. Only 100 kpa external pressure. Here you have 40000 Kpa of pressure. 400 times more force trying to crush it.
You also have the vacuum of space which is cold but not a long term corrosive nightmare and a conductor like sea water. Also in space you have space so you aren’t going to hit random stuff on the titanic.
This is a significantly more challenging environment.
The thing I really don’t understand here is why is this manned. Like going to space you get cool windows looking down at earth and weightlessness. Everest you are literally taller than anything around you and have made a physical accomplishment. But this is just sitting in a coffin fighting over the one 6” view port that doubles the toilet location. What’s the point. It’s not like you are there.
Dude, I'm going to sound like a smart ass. But so you can buy the T-shirt and brag to your friends over brie and Cavier.
Jonston - "Harumph, I climbed Mount Everest" Dosen't mention that he had 10 sherpa's carrying his ass up the mountain.
Everson - "Oh really . . . how exciting, but I sailed across the Atlantic" Doesn't mention he had a crew of 10 including a chef, a captain and mate, a massage therapist, a wine guy and two hot girls in bikinis.
Spruace III - "hmmm, amateur gentlemen I assure you. I went 3800 meters down and explored the wreckage of the titanic" Doesn't mention that he didn't do anything and didn't really see it because he lost the fight for the window.
Here's my T-shirt.
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It sounds like they haven't had a ping in quite some time from the sub, and its supposed to ping once every two hours. If there is a ping most competent sub search vehicles, would be able to locate the vessel with some degree of certainty. There's been no response to the text messages either.
They have seven ways to get to the surface even in the event of a complete power failure. Given that they haven't found it on the surface, it might have gotten snagged on something. which means that they can't drop weights or inflate balloons.
They have no food and no water outside of what the passengers bought with them.
the nightmare scenario, is even a pinhole in the pressure hull will kill everyone and sink the boat.
I don’t really see that as a nightmare scenario. Slowly suffocating is easily more nightmarish than dying quickly.
It sounds like they haven't had a ping in quite some time from the sub, and its supposed to ping once every two hours. If there is a ping most competent sub search vehicles, would be able to locate the vessel with some degree of certainty. There's been no response to the text messages either.
They have seven ways to get to the surface even in the event of a complete power failure. Given that they haven't found it on the surface, it might have gotten snagged on something. which means that they can't drop weights or inflate balloons.
They have no food and no water outside of what the passengers bought with them.
the nightmare scenario, is even a pinhole in the pressure hull will kill everyone and sink the boat.
Starting at 3:30 is where they show the Camper World bits, game controller, and ballast made of construction pipes. Interestingly they didn't talk about all the other redundant safety features in this original video.
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Starting at 3:30 is where they show the Camper World bits, game controller, and ballast made of construction pipes. Interestingly they didn't talk about all the other redundant safety features in this original video.
What cant you do with parts from Woody's RV?
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I don’t really see that as a nightmare scenario. Slowly suffocating is easily more nightmarish than dying quickly.
It depends.
If its a pin hole in the pressure hull that gives way at pressure a pencil thin jet of water explodes inwards. if it hits someone it leaves a hole in that person. Then as the atmosphere compresses its likely that your ear drums burst your sinuses and lungs collapse. Then there a good chance that the pressure causes the atmosphere to ignite.
On the other hand yeah, Carbon dioxide poisoning isn't pleasant at first. You get a bad migraine headache, you get nausea, confusion. Then a coma and death.
At this point its a pick your poison.
I remember when I was in the army, I had serious thoughts that I wanted to flip to the navy and the submarine service. I thought it would be cool and looked into it.
Beyond spending a few weeks at sea smelling 24 hour farts and body odor. Not being able to pass people without rubbing against them. The lack of sun shine and the confusion of day and night. The thought of basically imploding if something went wrong really disturbed me.
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I don’t really see that as a nightmare scenario. Slowly suffocating is easily more nightmarish than dying quickly.
Slowly suffocating in complete darkness, with 4 other people sobbing, freaking out, and soiling themselves.
If the worst case scenario did happen and somehow the vessel is recovered, there are probably going to be some interesting goodbye videos records on their phones as they go a little nuts.
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That's one reason why I would hope they aren't recovered, would the families really want that to be the last memory of them?
With the Submarine service, we know that submariners die pretty horribly, and in WW2 in great numbers, including American submarines shooting themselves with their own torpedoes.
But there's something comfortable about them being on eternal patrol.
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