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Jing · 02-27-2023, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by calf

If* it was pregnancy that was taking his focus away from hockey, there's no possible way a newborn will improve things.

*Massive if

I remember Backlund's play dipped after having a kid (which makes total sense given the big disruption to routine a d sleep). I wouldn't be surprised if the same happens to Lindholm. Not sure if Markstrom can get worse though.

Bingo · 02-27-2023, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

And people always seem to think that making these type of trades means you're giving up on the season. Which isn't true.

They traded Glencross in 14-15 and won a round. It just means giving somebody else opportunity.

Lucic, Lewis, and Ritchie should be gone for any type of return. Duehr has shown already we have pieces that can come up and replace these guys on the 4th line.

You have three major UFA forwards (Lindholm, Backlund, Toffoli)

You have three major UFA d-men next year (Tanev, Hanifin, Zadorov)

Pick one from each group and shop them at 50% retained IMO (and by shop I mean listen to the market and see what had the most value).

I picked Toffoli and Tanev (career year and a blocked shot away from a lost season)

Hanifin would be the guy to keep if he's interested. You don't trade Backlund as he should go coast to coast in the jersey. Zadorov not as much value, and I think you try and keep Lindholm.

Major Major · 02-27-2023, 01:27 PM

Dp

Flamesfan05 · 02-27-2023, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I picked Toffoli and Tanev (career year and a blocked shot away from a lost season)

Hanifin would be the guy to keep if he's interested. You don't trade Backlund as he should go coast to coast in the jersey. Zadorov not as much value, and I think you try and keep Lindholm.

Hanifin is so anti clutched, I would trade him if I get a good offer

mdubz · 02-27-2023, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1630255095039528960

Just take the rest of the season off Marky. Your baby needs you...

SuperMatt18 · 02-27-2023, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I picked Toffoli and Tanev (career year and a blocked shot away from a lost season)

Hanifin would be the guy to keep if he's interested. You don't trade Backlund as he should go coast to coast in the jersey. Zadorov not as much value, and I think you try and keep Lindholm.

I wonder about Zadorov.

The East is beefing up for the playoffs. Teams have been adding forwards with size so far, d-men with size will be the next move. McCabe just got a 1st with 2 years left after this one at $2M.

If you retain $1.25M on Zadorov so he's only paid $2.5M for this year and next then I think you might be able to get a 1st.

Big is always more valuable now than the draft.

Ashasx · 02-27-2023, 01:39 PM

What is the most the Flames have retained in terms of cap/salary in a trade? I can't even recall an instance.

tkflames · 02-27-2023, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Oilers and Jets have 4 wins in their last 10
Seattle has 3

Bottom line is the Flames need a win streak though

Flames have only made up one point on the jets in the last 10...

It's hard chasing...

GioforPM · 02-27-2023, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I picked Toffoli and Tanev (career year and a blocked shot away from a lost season)

Hanifin would be the guy to keep if he's interested. You don't trade Backlund as he should go coast to coast in the jersey. Zadorov not as much value, and I think you try and keep Lindholm.

I agree with those. I do think Lindholm and maybe Hanifin are guys you risk losing to UFA though. Lindholm probably feels underpaid and Hanifin is maybe similar.

Savvy27 · 02-27-2023, 01:42 PM

One concern I have with waiting until next year is that I think the Flames actually have a pretty good roster and will make the playoffs next year with average goaltending. So I don't think there will be any accumulation of assets because they won't want to get rid of guys who are primed for a playoff run.

If they move one forward and one D, such as Toffoli and Tanev, they can sign Coronato, call up Phillips, Meloche and/or DeSimone and ride out the season, while still looking pretty strong for next year.

Huberdeau - Kadri - Pelletier
Coleman - Backlund - Mangiapane
Dube - Lindholm - Coronato/Phillips
Ruzicka - Zohorna - Duehr

Hanifin - Andersson
Kylington - Weegar
Zadorov - Gilbert

Markstrom
Vladar/Wolf

Honestly, I think that is a pretty good starting point for next season. With the assets that they would pick up from some trades they might be able to swing a deal for a star or just restock the cupboards and hope that some of the players having an off year will get back to normal.

Displaced Flames fan · 02-27-2023, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I find it interesting that the media is a little late to the math (hope)

Winnipeg now the target on a 97 point pace (.592)

To get to 98 points Calgary has to go 15-5-2 which is a .727 pace the rest of the way. If they lose both to Boston and Toronto in regulation they'll need to go 15-3-2 or .800

This is over isn't? Or am I being to cynical?

It should be. However, does anyone trust Seattle, LA and Edmonton to hold on to their spot? I don't.

Strange Brew · 02-27-2023, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

And people always seem to think that making these type of trades means you're giving up on the season. Which isn't true.

They traded Glencross in 14-15 and won a round. It just means giving somebody else opportunity.

Lucic, Lewis, and Ritchie should be gone for any type of return. Duehr has shown already we have pieces that can come up and replace these guys on the 4th line.

You have three major UFA forwards (Lindholm, Backlund, Toffoli)

You have three major UFA d-men next year (Tanev, Hanifin, Zadorov)

Pick one from each group and shop them at 50% retained IMO (and by shop I mean listen to the market and see what had the most value).

Glencross was UFA. Trading guys under contract is just out of character for this management team. The ones who have historically been dealt, even in the off season, were those that asked to leave.

Hamilton, Bennett, Neal, Tkachuk, Baertschi, even Fox.

Ferland is maybe the only player I can think of under Treliving's tenure who was dealt and didn't either ask to be traded, or who was on an expiring deal.

I'm not expecting this deadline to be different.

MrMike · 02-27-2023, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

It should be. However, does anyone trust Seattle, LA and Edmonton to hold on to their spot? I don't.

I don’t have to trust them to hold the spot, I trust the Flames goaltending to continue being abysmal

Displaced Flames fan · 02-27-2023, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMike

I don’t have to trust them to hold the spot, I trust the Flames goaltending to continue being abysmal

I get it. But, Oilers fans are probably wishing they had brought Mike Smith back at this point. Seattle has been slowing their pace for some time now and LA is just a complete wild card.

The Flames have a lot of "easy" games after this little stretch here. They have given us little reason to believe that means anything, but....it might!

Ashes · 02-27-2023, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I find it interesting that the media is a little late to the math (hope)

Winnipeg now the target on a 97 point pace (.592)

To get to 98 points Calgary has to go 15-5-2 which is a .727 pace the rest of the way. If they lose both to Boston and Toronto in regulation they'll need to go 15-3-2 or .800

This is over isn't? Or am I being to cynical?

Wait.. what? But.. Derek Wills says we will be fine as long as we go .500 in our next two games

we're just a 7th defensemen added at the deadline away from making the cut! This can't be!

TheScorpion · 02-27-2023, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

What is the most the Flames have retained in terms of cap/salary in a trade? I can't even recall an instance.

I believe they've only ever retained salary once. Rittich.

Bingo · 02-27-2023, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Hanifin is so anti clutched, I would trade him if I get a good offer

I don't even know what that means.

A solid top pairing defenseman with speed and a boatload of NHL experience at a reasonably young age?

Joborule · 02-27-2023, 03:15 PM

I agree with what some said that even if the Flames are sellers (which I really hope they are; especially with the current market), they can still hope for the best afterwards, and fight to make the playoffs since it's a weak conference this year. The teams above them aren't surefire bets to make themselves either, and could fall off.

Best case scenario would be gain some decent quality future assets, and still make the playoffs even if they don't play past April.

Flamesfan05 · 02-27-2023, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't even know what that means.

A solid top pairing defenseman with speed and a boatload of NHL experience at a reasonably young age?

He choked and made lots of dumb mistakes on important games

Did you watch him against the Oilers last playoff?

And that’s not the only time

I am not saying give him away

But if someone overpay or gives full value….

Bingo · 02-27-2023, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

He choked and made lots of dumb mistakes on important games

Did you watch him against the Oilers last playoff?

And that’s not the only time

I am not saying give him away

But if someone overpay or gives full value….

His numbers speak for themselves ... top pairing dman for the past three years.

He's a player you keep if you can get him for a reasonable contract.