Practice Notes - Feb 27

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

MoneyPuck still has the Flames at 72% for making the playoffs.
Hockey Reference is much lower at 38%.

I wouldn't say it's long over, since only one of Minnesota, Seattle, Edmonton and Winnipeg needs to fall out.

Two. They're behind Nashville, too. 10th in the West.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

MoneyPuck still has the Flames at 72% for making the playoffs.
Hockey Reference is much lower at 38%.

I feel like my house could be on fire for several hours and MoneyPuck would still tell me there's a 75% chance it doesn't burn to the ground.

[Hoop27]

No way Marky could have been 100% focused on hockey. Hopefully this will get that weight off of his shoulders.

[calf]

Originally Posted by Hoop27

No way Marky could have been 100% focused on hockey. Hopefully this will get that weight off of his shoulders.

If* it was pregnancy that was taking his focus away from hockey, there's no possible way a newborn will improve things.



*Massive if

[Monahammer]

Congrats to Marky, his wife, and their new child.

Can people stop tying his performance to his wife's pregnancy? Many of us successfully managed to juggle jobs getting paid vastly less and probably with more strenuous mental requirements than playing hockey professionally while our partners (maybe even some of us) were pregnant, likely without significant gaps of productivity. Many thousands of people across Canada accomplish this yearly.

Could it have affected him? Sure, it could have. But that doesn't mean something else couldn't effect him more next season. Personally, I think the lack of sleep that comes with having a newborn is far more detrimental. IMO by tying his current #### tier performance to this, you are essentially admitting that he has virtually no hope of turning it around next season given the changes at home he can be expected to face.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Hoop27

No way Marky could have been 100% focused on hockey. Hopefully this will get that weight off of his shoulders.

Make sense, the baby was conceived during the Oilers series…..

[Always Earned Never Given]

Originally Posted by NewFan

So 22 games left.

Hard: (may be loss) 0 points?
- Boston
- Toronto

Difficult: (50:50) 7 points?
- Dallas x 2
- Vegas x 2
- Los Angeles x 2
- Winnipeg

Winnable: 22 points from 26 possible?
- Anahiem x 3
- San Jose x 2
- Vancouver x 2
- Minnesota x 2
- Ottawa
- Arizona
- Nashville
- Chicago

29 points + 66 current = 95 possible?

10 days ago or so I entered games remaining for teams Flames are chasing and did my best to predict who would win (no OTL points) based on (who they played (p/o or non p/o team, home or away , B2B, etc) and surprisingly I have the Flames at 97 eventhough I had them lose 4 in a row vs Vegas, Col, Bos, and Tor.

I have the Wild at 96 and Edmonton at 92!

So I double checked Edm and here is what I got:

On the road I have them at 4-7(again for all teams I did not include OTL points:

Winnipeg Jets L
Buffalo Sabres W
Boston Bruins L
Toronto Maple Leafs L
Seattle Kraken L
Arizona Coyotes W
Vegas Golden Knights L
Los Angeles Kings L
Anaheim Ducks W
San Jose Sharks W
Colorado Avalanche L

At home I have them at 6-5 maybe 7-4 (game vs Jets )

Boston Bruins L
Toronto Maple Leafs L
Winnipeg Jets L?
Ottawa Senators W
Dallas Stars L
San Jose Sharks W
Arizona Coyotes W
Vegas Golden Knights L
Los Angeles Kings W
Anaheim Ducks W
San Jose Sharks W


So Edm would be at 92 or 94 points and out of the P/O.

That would be so sweet!

It aint' over yet

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Two. They're behind Nashville, too. 10th in the West.

Not in terms of points. And nashville is selling

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by calf

If* it was pregnancy that was taking his focus away from hockey, there's no possible way a newborn will improve things.



*Massive if

I could be wrong but I feel like I remember Luongo talking about having kids and getting a bit older helped him actually realize how much more there is than hockey, and while he still wanted to compete and do well, it didn't consume him entirely, and he knew his kids were his main priority. Could help Marky find a bit of perspective.

[Hoop27]

As long as everyone comes out of it healthy I would have to think that there will be a sigh of relief and allow him to focus a bit more.

Originally Posted by calf

If* it was pregnancy that was taking his focus away from hockey, there's no possible way a newborn will improve things.



*Massive if

[Always Earned Never Given]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Not in terms of points. And nashville is selling

I guess they took a look at their April schedule....

vs StL. ok not too bad.

then in Dal, VGS, Car, in Win

then at Cgy and finally B2B vs Mon and Col at home

Yikes I think we better sell!

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Its been over for a bit.

First nail in the coffin was the last eastern road trip with the regulation loss in detroit and the comeback by ottawa

They were on pace with the rest of the teams and still in striking distance in the pacific race before the trip deviated from plan

Second nail in the coffin was the Detroit and Philly losses at home. I think those two are what sealed their fate

Collect 1-2 points in those four games like they should and they're on pace for playoffs. Because they didn't now they're not.. and now the competition gets stiff

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I guess I just really want to get a start on some off season change with the prices we are seeing.

Imagine what a Chris Tanev and Tyler Toffoli would fetch.

Yes! Exactly!

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Not in terms of points. And nashville is selling

Nashville is two points back with three games in hand. Points percentage has always been the better way to look at things.

Either way, the Flames have a worse record than a team that's already selling.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by calf

If* it was pregnancy that was taking his focus away from hockey, there's no possible way a newborn will improve things.



*Massive if

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Congrats to Marky, his wife, and their new child.

Can people stop tying his performance to his wife's pregnancy? Many of us successfully managed to juggle jobs getting paid vastly less and probably with more strenuous mental requirements than playing hockey professionally while our partners (maybe even some of us) were pregnant, likely without significant gaps of productivity. Many thousands of people across Canada accomplish this yearly.

Could it have affected him? Sure, it could have. But that doesn't mean something else couldn't effect him more next season. Personally, I think the lack of sleep that comes with having a newborn is far more detrimental. IMO by tying his current #### tier performance to this, you are essentially admitting that he has virtually no hope of turning it around next season given the changes at home he can be expected to face.

It depends on how the pregnancy was going, which we for sure don't know. Markstrom's issue has been gripping the stick a lot. Maybe some of the more fun distraction with a baby will help.

[D as in David]

I'm hard pressed to recall any three game stretch this year where all facets of the team (skaters, goaltending, coaching) performed at enough of a consistent level to warrant a win, regardless of the actual outcome. It is doubtful, in my mind, that they are about to pull it all together now.

Remember that point in December (or was it even early January) where there were positive comparisons of their point total to last year's? And there were was a favourable strength of competition remaining schedule? Yeesh.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I guess I just really want to get a start on some off season change with the prices we are seeing.

Imagine what a Chris Tanev and Tyler Toffoli would fetch.

Losing those two could really have the Flames tumble in the standings and increase their odds of an early pick in the draft.

Would also be nice if that gave them a chance to put Phillips in the lineup for an extended period. It would be a nice gesture by the franchise to allow him to show what he can do at this level despite the likelihood that he will take his services elsewhere next season.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I can't see anyone taking Markstrom. There is no team going into the playoffs where he is an upgrade for them. If he was, they wouldn't be going into the playoffs. Maybe in the off season, a team will take a chance on resurrecting him.

I think Huberdeau probably has negative value at this point considering a team would be acquiring an $84 million contract after a year where he was terrible. He is only 1 year removed from a 100 point season, so someone might be willing to take him, but we'd likely have to take back another bad contract. I guess that is the thing to consider. Would it be better to have a guaranteed anchor, but with less overall cap hit and term, or would it be better to bet on Huberdeau turning it around but risking an even worse anchor.

As for Kadri, I think he actually has some value. Everyone knew his point totals would go down, but i don't think his contract is that outrageous and his production has been fine. It would likely be better on a better team.

Toronto might think Markstrom is a better bet than Samsonov who is playing well, but is career wise a tweener and 1-6 in the POs.

[Major Major]

Making the playoffs won't be as easy as money puck makes it but also won't be as hard as the direness this thread makes it out to be. All 8 spots are essentially in play. If anyone has a bad couple weeks, they're vulnerable. I don't think you get the premium for trading guys this year as opposed to next. I don't really see the point in selling now.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I guess I just really want to get a start on some off season change with the prices we are seeing.

Imagine what a Chris Tanev and Tyler Toffoli would fetch.

And people always seem to think that making these type of trades means you're giving up on the season. Which isn't true.

They traded Glencross in 14-15 and won a round. It just means giving somebody else opportunity.

Lucic, Lewis, and Ritchie should be gone for any type of return. Duehr has shown already we have pieces that can come up and replace these guys on the 4th line.

You have three major UFA forwards (Lindholm, Backlund, Toffoli)

You have three major UFA d-men next year (Tanev, Hanifin, Zadorov)

Pick one from each group and shop them at 50% retained IMO (and by shop I mean listen to the market and see what had the most value).