Training Camp Day 5 Notes: Mangiapane-Kadri-Phillips

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Far be it from me to predict he wont make the team, I just think the Gaudreau comparisons are crazy. I think the Czarnik comparable is fair. Czarnik at 24 had the almost exact same stat line as Phillips in the AHL before being traded to the Flames.

I also think that the Gaudreau comparison is crazy, and that the Czarnik comparison is more sober. But I also think that Phillips projects more in line with Paul Byron if he is going to succeed in the NHL. That is a pretty realistic expecting on the high end.


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[Torture]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Maybe I am a hater, but I would temper expectations with respect to Phillips. His AHL numbers are fairly pedestrian for what he brings away from the puck. Of course, it is possible that he has improved his game. But all things being equal, he is not going to come in and become the next Gaudreau/Paul Byron ect. He is most likely to be the next Czarnik.

That said, all the power to him, I hope he comes out swinging and makes his spot on the team a no brainer.

One of these things is not like the other.

[FlamesAddiction]

It would be amazing if he could be the next Marchessault.

I realize that he was an extremely rare case, but it kind of keeps the dream alive.

[mile]

I hate him but I think Yamamoto would be a decent comparable for Phillips. At the very least a ~0.5 PPG guy

[Nelson]

If Phillips makes the team, I'm going to be so pumped. GO PHILLIPS GO!

[Flames0910]

I don't think anyone is projecting Philips to be the next Johnny Gaudreau. There might be some similarities in size and style but he's clearly not at the same level or draft pedigree.

Besides, we already have Jonathan Huberdeau penciled in as our next Johnny Gaudreau.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Paul Byron was a speedster does Phillips bring any of that same speed and ability to kill penalties?

Someone said he is on track to be the next Bunting, that also is a crazy comparison for a guy who has played 1 NHL game.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Klapka was really impressive during the scrimmage.

Also, re: Phillips' AHL numbers being pedestrian ... he was the top-scoring U24 player in the league last season. All the guys ahead of him were in their late 20s, whereas he was 23 throughout the regular season and turned 24 at the start of the playoffs. What's been pedestrian have been his showings in past camps. He's never been able to distance himself from the pack in the slightest.

Respectfully, U24 scoring is category you made up because you like Phillips. He is draft plus 6 years? 24, 26, he might as well be 28. A kid d+1 or +2 with 40 or 60 points is waaay more interesting.

That said there is a late bloomer every year or 2 and if ever anyone was a candidate it’s a tiny kid cutting his teeth as a pro during a pandemic.

[TheScorpion]

Well it's just a shorthand way of saying he was 23 and everyone ahead of him was 26-30. That's a significant difference in a league like the AHL.

Put another way — he was the highest-scoring AHL player eligible for the Calder Trophy.

[FlamesAddiction]

Further to the Marchessault example, he was 26 when he finally made the NHL full time. His junior and AHL numbers are comparable to what Phillips put up.

Obviously Marchessault is the exception and big story with him is how rare is it for an undersized player to make it, especially when they are going into their mid-20s, so I am not convinced Phillips will do the same thing. I think it's worth seeing through though and giving him a trail by fire.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by mile

I hate him but I think Yamamoto would be a decent comparable for Phillips. At the very least a ~0.5 PPG guy

He was Yamamoto without being gifted top 6 minutes in the NHL.

They were 6 months apart in age and pretty much had the same production at every stage of their careers

In 18-19 and 19-20 through their first two seasons in the AHL.

Phillips: 71 points in 103 games - 0.69 PPG

Yamamoto: 34 points in 50 games - 0.68 PPG

Yamamoto was thrown into top 6 minutes on Draisaitl's wing since then, and has been an effective player at times for them.

I do think that they are very, very similar players. One guy was just given an opportunity (and TBH I don't think Yamamoto neccessarily earned it, just got lucky that Oilers had injuries and he worked on Draisaitl's wing)

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He was Yamamoto without being gifted top 6 minutes in the AHL.

They were 6 months apart in age and pretty much had the same production at every stage of their careers

In 18-19 and 19-20 through their first two seasons in the AHL.

Phillips: 71 points in 103 games - 0.69 PPG

Yamamoto: 34 points in 50 games - 0.68 PPG

Yamamoto was thrown into top 6 minutes on Draisaitl's wing since then, and has been an effective player at times for them.

I do think that they are very, very similar players. One guy was just given an opportunity (and TBH I don't think Yamamoto neccessarily earned it, just got lucky that Oilers had injuries and he worked on Draisaitl's wing)

Can Phillips play the role of an agitator like Yamamoto can? Not that Yamamoto is the best pest on the ice, but does bring that element. I haven't seen Phillips enough in games, but adding any extra kind of dimension to his overall game would probably make it easier to gamble on him.

[gvitaly]

Regarding Phillips, I think it is Milano's spot to lose. It's smart for the organization to see what they have in Phillips before exposing him to waivers. I still have a very hard time seeing him make the starting lineup.

I also hope they sign Milano regardless of who takes that spot on the Kadri line, but we'll have to wait and see.

[dino7c]

he played well enough last night to get another shot in a prominent role


now do it again

[CSharp]

What can Phillips bring to the Flames that'll make him stay up with the club? I have seen what Phillips does on the ice. So, I can't comment on his abilities. He'll either need to be like Mangi or be like Byron or even Derek Ryan. Trying to do what Yamamoto does is not a good thing for small players. Yamamoto was injured for most of last season because he was trying to play big like Fleury. I'd rather see smaller players with skill use his given skillsets to the max, like what Gaudreau and Mangi has done to prove that they're what it takes to be in the big leagues.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Want them to sign Milano bc we can use as many options on wing as we can get but also want to see Phillips make it. I realize only one of those things is likely to happen

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Phillips posseses a little more jam( intensity)in his game than That JG guy who used to play here.

Is this sarcasm?

The guy that carried the team the last 5 yrs has less intensity than a career AHLer?

[TheScorpion]

Yeah, that's just ridiculous. Comparing Phillips to Gaudreau is only going to set you up for disappointment. The hope is that he can be a fit in a middle-six (likely a third-line) NHL role at some point, not be a superstar. Gotta temper expectations.

Speaking of which ...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1574496530253217793

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Yeah, that's just ridiculous. Comparing Phillips to Gaudreau is only going to set you up for disappointment. The hope is that he can be a fit in a middle-six (likely a third-line) NHL role at some point, not be a superstar. Gotta temper expectations.

Speaking of which ...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1574496530253217793

The good news right now is third line winger means probably Backlund is your centre. Not bad. Backlund works well with young wingers IMO. Tkachuk, Bennett, and Mangiapane all benefitted.

[Reggie Dunlop]

I guess there's no hurry to send players down to the AHL yet, in that they'll still be in town. Usually, you're sending kids to another town and you want to give them a few days to settle in.

Other than the Rapid City guys, who are mainly here as a professional courtesy.