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Textcritic · 02-01-2021, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CF84

Is it feasible that the Flames are just being smart with players that could possibly be picked up by Seattle? The Flames don't need someone like Phillips to succeed, only to potentially lose a better player than they would have during the expansion draft. Would it be better if he was to fly under the radar and then win a spot next year?

I think this type of thinking possibly comes into play regarding player recalls, but it is only an issue when a player's protection exemption confronts his ability to help the team win now. I don't really see that happening with Phillips in the next three months, so it is probably moot, anyways. What I am certain is not happening is the deliberate act of burying the player at the expense of his or the team's immediate success.

TheScorpion · 02-22-2021, 12:17 AM

I thought Phillips was the best player on the ice for either team on Sunday. He has tremendous hockey IQ, speed, and vision. He made passes that nobody else in that game could make.

Redrum · 02-22-2021, 12:34 AM

Should they? Yes. Will... ahh you get the idea.

Heavy Jack · 02-22-2021, 09:05 AM

I’ve been excited about this prospect since we drafted him and I’m heartened to hear this Scorp!!! Can this team please finally start giving him a true look to see what we have? He has the skill set to be that top 6 RW we’ve been hoping for all these years and I think he could work extremely well opposite Matt Tkachuk and Backs.

Monahan - Lindholm - Gaudreau
Tkachuk - Backlund - Phillips
Dube - Bennett - Mangiapane
Lucic - Taxi - Taxi

I’d love to see something like this.

Funkhouser · 02-22-2021, 09:18 AM

All praise our new Savior...Matthew Phillips

Only he can eradicate locker room issues, coaching inadequacy, and the lack of skilled RW players! Make the following lineup so, and we will surely go to the promise land...

Tkachuk Lindholm Pelletier
Gaudreau Monahan Ryan
Lucic Bennett Dube
Mangiapane Backlund Phillips

SuperMatt18 · 02-22-2021, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Funkhouser

All praise our new Savior...Matthew Phillips

Only he can eradicate locker room issues, coaching inadequacy, and the lack of skilled RW players! Make the following lineup so, and we will surely go to the promise land...

Tkachuk Lindholm Pelletier
Gaudreau Monahan Ryan
Lucic Bennett Dube
Mangiapane Backlund Phillips

Nobody is saying he fixes all the problems.

But it does seem pretty clear that adding our most skilled RW prospect might help with the problem that we have a lack of skilled RW players on the roster.

Funkhouser · 02-22-2021, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Nobody is saying he fixes all the problems.

But it does seem pretty clear that adding our most skilled RW prospect might help with the problem that we have a lack of skilled RW players on the roster.

Agreed, I was just laying it on thick due to the lack of hope elsewhere in the organization these days.

I am a huge Phillips fan and hope he can get a shot seeing as things can't get worse :-)

transplant99 · 02-22-2021, 10:39 AM

Yeah........the Flames need yet another undersized (being generous) forward in the lineup. Though he is a RH shot which could help to say the least.

I'm pretty sure he would be the smallest guy in the league........easily. He is closer to being a jockey's weight than that of even an average NHL player.

He may have a niche role on the right team with the right line up, but that is not this club as currently constructed.

Gunkle · 02-22-2021, 10:44 AM

Flames need to recall Darryl Sutter

GioforPM · 02-22-2021, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah........the Flames need yet another undersized (being generous) forward in the lineup. Though he is a RH shot which could help to say the least.

I'm pretty sure he would be the smallest guy in the league........easily. He is closer to being a jockey's weight than that of even an average NHL player.

He may have a niche role on the right team with the right line up, but that is not this club as currently constructed.

The Flames need a RW to play with Monahan, but it needs to be a 2 way guy like Lindholm.

SuperMatt18 · 02-22-2021, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah........the Flames need yet another undersized (being generous) forward in the lineup. Though he is a RH shot which could help to say the least.

I'm pretty sure he would be the smallest guy in the league........easily. He is closer to being a jockey's weight than that of even an average NHL player.

He may have a niche role on the right team with the right line up, but that is not this club as currently constructed.

Why can’t he play on a line with Lucic and Bennett for example? If you're worried about his size isn't that the perfect spot to work him in the lineup.

He’s a small guy but he doesn’t play small. His size has not impeded him at all in the AHL which if anything is a bigger league than the NHL size wise nowadays.

And even then how does it hurt to give him a game? If he’s too small you send him back down.

This type of mindset is why teams pass on guys like Brayden Point in the draft and it’s so outdated.

Great tweet by Darren Haynes shows what he can bring, even makes a pretty nice hit on Nick Robtertson to win the puck back on the forecheck https://twitter.com/DarrenWHaynes/st...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Just for fun because you brought up Kyrou. Here are three 22 year old players (all 1998 birth years):

Player A:
17-18: 112 points in 71 games (WHL)
18-19: 38 points in 65 games (AHL)
19-20: 33 points in 38 games (AHL)

Player B:
17-18: 109 points in 56 games (OHL)
18-19: 43 points in 47 games (AHL)
19-20: 15 points in 16 games (AHL)

Player C:
17-18: 64 points in 40 games (WHL)
18-19: 18 points in 27 games (AHL)
19-20: 16 points in 23 games (AHL)

Player A is Matthew Phillips, Player B is Kyrou, Player C is Yamamoto.

Kyrou and Yamamoto are helping their teams in top 6 roles, yet Phillips can’t even get a game in the NHL on the Flames roster, while guys like Simon, Nordstrom, Ritchie, Robinson, etc all get multiple looks of doing nothing.

On a team that desperately needs a top 9 RW why not give Phillips a shot? Sure he’s small but you don’t know if he can adapt until he gets a shot. The skill is clearly there, and his size hasn’t hurt him at the AHL level.

Once again it’s the coach and GM just being afraid to give a young guy a shot because it might lead to a mistake.

Made this post in another thread but it fits in here too. His production has been great at every level, and guys with similar production are helping out at this level, no reason to not give him a shot to see if he can translate it to the next level.

GioforPM · 02-22-2021, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Why can’t he play on a line with Lucic and Bennett for example? If you're worried about his size isn't that the perfect spot to work him in the lineup.

He’s a small guy but he doesn’t play small. His size has not impeded him at all in the AHL which if anything is a bigger league than the NHL size wise nowadays.

And even then how does it hurt to give him a game? If he’s too small you send him back down.

This type of mindset is why teams pass on guys like Brayden Point in the draft and it’s so outdated.

Good tweet by Darren Haynes shows what he can bring, even makes a pretty nice hit on Nick Robtertson to win the puck back on the forecheck https://twitter.com/DarrenWHaynes/st...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Not bad - allows Dube and Mangiapane to stick in the top 6.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Dube
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Lucic-Bennett-Phillips
Nordstrom-Backlund-XX

Or Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane
Lucic-Bennett-Phillips
Nordstrom-Dube-Gawdin/Robinson

SuperMatt18 · 02-22-2021, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not bad - allows Dube and Mangiapane to stick in the top 6.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Dube
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Lucic-Bennett-Phillips
Nordstrom-Backlund-XX

Or Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane
Lucic-Bennett-Phillips
Nordstrom-Dube-Gawdin/Robinson

Yeah I think it could work. Another option is:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Dube
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Leivo
Mangiapane - Backlund - Nordstrom (just because coach isn't taking him out, and he's okay in a defensive role)
Lucic - Bennett - Phillips

Keeps Eatbread and Backlund together so we have two more defensively responsible matchup lines with Lindholm and Backlund's lines.

savardandjokinen · 02-22-2021, 11:57 AM

If I were to choose with a fully healthy team. Nordstrom can play where Ryan is until he’s back

Tkachuk Lindholm Phillips
Gaudreau Monahan Leivo/Simon
Mangiapane Backlund Ryan
Lucic Bennett Dube

GranteedEV · 02-22-2021, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah........the Flames need yet another undersized (being generous) forward in the lineup.

Size.
Does.
Not.
Matter.

Effectiveness.
Matters.
Period.

savardandjokinen · 02-22-2021, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah........the Flames need yet another undersized (being generous) forward in the lineup. Though he is a RH shot which could help to say the least.

I'm pretty sure he would be the smallest guy in the league........easily. He is closer to being a jockey's weight than that of even an average NHL player.

He may have a niche role on the right team with the right line up, but that is not this club as currently constructed.

It’s hard for me to call Mangiapane and Dube undersized when they’ve never really shown it affect them

getoverit · 02-22-2021, 12:16 PM

Any chance he plays tonight?

Gaskal · 02-23-2021, 05:34 PM

Jeff Lebowski · 02-23-2021, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Great tweet by Darren Haynes shows what he can bring, even makes a pretty nice hit on Nick Robtertson to win the puck back on the forecheck https://twitter.com/DarrenWHaynes/st...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Made this post in another thread but it fits in here too. His production has been great at every level, and guys with similar production are helping out at this level, no reason to not give him a shot to see if he can translate it to the next level.

He looks great in that clip. That clip has a great angle too - I love being able to see everyone in one shot so you can see the entire ice and player movement. I guess it looks video game like but I'd watch an entire game like that.

TheScorpion · 02-23-2021, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

He looks great in that clip. That clip has a great angle too - I love being able to see everyone in one shot so you can see the entire ice and player movement. I guess it looks video game like but I'd watch an entire game like that.

Hah, I watched Haynes filming that with his iPad and I had no idea what the heck he was doing. It's a great video.