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Old 12-15-2019, 05:07 PM   #61
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Sven is like Mangiapane but without the heart and grit.
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Sven is like Mangiapane but without the heart and grit.

Sven was all heart by the end. Never gonna have the grit though.
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Old 12-15-2019, 05:48 PM   #63
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Sven was all heart by the end. Never gonna have the grit though.
Grit requires heart.
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Grit requires heart.
It actually requires corn.
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But if every draft pick met or exceeded our expectations for them, just think where we would be! Just think!
On Calgarypuck like usual putting them in trade proposals for Taylor Hall?
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Grit requires heart.

It does, but he's not equipped for it. He still gives a #### when he's on the ice and was going to the dirty areas to score. He was never going to grind in the corners.
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Old 12-15-2019, 07:38 PM   #67
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Another horrible 1st round draft pick by Calgary. We suck at drafting, unfortunately.
We sucked at first round drafting until 2013.

For one meh Bennett you have Monahan, Valimaki, Pelletier (looking good)

We have been adequate to pretty good outside the first round for a decade now imo.

Gaudreau, Brodie, Fox (traded but our pick), Andersson, Kylington, Dube, Bread, Phillips etc, etc....

Unless you're joking that's not a very true statement as far as recent years.

Teams like the Oilers wish they drafted like the Flames outside of their shoe in top 3 picks (which they have even botched two of)
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Sven is like Mangiapane but without the heart and grit.
As much as we love Mangiapane, he has 23 points in 87 games. He is a ~0.3 points per game guy both this year and last.

Baertschi has put up a serviceable 0.5 points per game the last 3 seasons.

If Mangiapane continues to develop, he should hopefully have a higher ceiling.

But right now people love him for his potential, more so than his results.

Also, on the topic of players relevant to Sven, Rasmus is shaping up quite nicely
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Happy for him that he got that contact. It looks like he is close to done.

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I can't agree with this. Being out due to the same concussion could mean some serious issues for the guy that would impact his life away from hockey. He recently had a little girl and kicked to the curb his demons from the past.
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He needs to find a way to quit before his brains get really scrambled...
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I can't agree with this. Being out due to the same concussion could mean some serious issues for the guy that would impact his life away from hockey. He recently had a little girl and kicked to the curb his demons from the past.
So, what part don't you agree with? Do you disagree that Ferland's career looks to be in jeopardy? Do you disagree that it was nice for him to earn one more big contract before he is forced into retirement?

I don't get it.
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Seeing as the Sven thread is now a Ferland thread: Is there any limit to LTIR? Can he ride out his whole contract on it without retiring? He may have to if concussions are the issue.

Just want to see him collect come what may. Good guy.
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Seeing as the Sven thread is now a Ferland thread: Is there any limit to LTIR? Can he ride out his whole contract on it without retiring? He may have to if concussions are the issue.

Just want to see him collect come what may. Good guy.
I believe so, yes. This is exactly what Marian Hossa and David Clarkson are doing.
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Rasmus Andersson is easily a 1st round talent if they redid his draft year, so we did quite alright with Baertschi eventually. I'm more than happy on what we got for him.
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I believe so, yes. This is exactly what Marian Hossa and David Clarkson are doing.

If he can't pass a physical, he can't play.

It's a damn shame whenever this happens. I hope he can bounce back, but some guys just can't do it. Concussions are bull ####.
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I do feel bad for Sven, never like seeing a career cut short especially to head injuries. It seems though like he’s hoping for one last shot to turn things around and I wish him the best.
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Looking back at his concussion from Feb 2017.

Another head hit, that the DOPS gets wrong on the supplemental discipline, again.

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You know, even Jankowski at 21st that year wasn’t way outside what the others at that position have done. Maata was the consensus around there IIRC. And he has been a bit of a disappointment. The others from 21 onward are pretty underwhelming. Oddly, the picks above him are generally pretty good except for Yak, Reinhart and Koekkoek.

That leaves Bennett who for sure hasn’t lived up to his spot.
Regarding Bennett, he's only a little below the average expectation for a 4OA pick, but that's a whole other debate for another thread (I listed all 4OAs since 1980 in rough order in a Bennett thread not too long ago)

The Flames have rarely really missed out on a stud by a pick or two either way on many of their picks...even back to Tkazuk and Fata, we certainly should have come away with NHL roster players, but the realistic best case scenario was a Malhotra/Antropov/Samsonov, without dropping all the way to 12 (Tanguay and Hossa).

IMO 2012 is probably the biggest 'what could have been'. To be fair, it was just a weird draft - probably the worst top 10 ever, and almost certainly the best 11-20 ever. 9 of those 10 appear to be reliable NHLers for the next few years (Grigorenko being the exception, and it's probably not a talent level issue).

Wilson and Teravainen were great value players on cup runs (could add Maatta x2 at 22 too), Hertl and Forsberg to the finals, Ceci and Vasilevsky to the conf. finals. Calgary is desperate for another legitimate top 6 forward; three of the next four forwards taken are exactly that...the worst case is Girgenson, who has reliably and cheaply been contributing for years comparably to what Janko's ceiling appears to be. Imagine an alternate timeline with Tom Wilson a Flame...sooooo many things happen differently (most notably no Neal/Lucic...probably never end up with Bill Peters either).

I don't have any problem with Janko, and I retain optimism that he can contribute. In hindsight, trading down was inarguably a massive mistake (all 7 players are better than the him, 5/7 are a lot better), but the thing Feaster and Weisbrod ####ed up the worst was showing such hubris and putting insane expectations on Jankowski. Would it have been so hard to say "we obviously like the player, or we wouldn't have traded down for him. He's young and raw and we will need to be patient"?
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the thing Feaster and Weisbrod ####ed up the worst was showing such hubris and putting insane expectations on Jankowski. Would it have been so hard to say "we obviously like the player, or we wouldn't have traded down for him. He's young and raw and we will need to be patient"?
Pretty sure that's exactly what they said (after saying he would prove to be the best player in the draft one day )
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