[News] Canes terminate Ron Francis' contract. Nieuwendyk resigns as pro scout and advisor.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I'll defend anyone getting bullied, we all should.

Are you sure this is a billionaire getting bullied? First of all it's in a forum he's (likely) not present at. Without interaction and intimidation, he's not being bullied. Second, bullying involves using a position of power to intimidate, which is also not the case. The billionaire has far more power than the forum member.

[Flamenspiel]

^^Ok, but the issue is that you cannot attack someone just because they have money. That in itself cannot be a valid criticism.

[Phaneufenstein]

Dundon hired Rick Dudley as VP of Hockey Operations
https://www.nhl.com/hurricanes/news/...?tid=277567772

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Phaneufenstein

Dundon hired Rick Dudley as VP of Hockey Operations
https://www.nhl.com/hurricanes/news/...?tid=277567772

Wow. Where has that guy been?

[Phaneufenstein]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Wow. Where has that guy been?

Looks like he held the same role for the past while with Montreal
http://www.eliteprospects.com/staff.php?staff=1265

[Erick Estrada]

Man Dudley gets around. He's had to have worked for close to 10 teams in management capacities.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I'll defend anyone getting bullied, we all should.

Your post did not criticize his hockey sense, but instead attacked him, edgelord style. You even found a spot to throw Trump's name in. It was pretty lame and unnecessary.

Dundon bought a team that is doing worse every year (attendance). He literally just got the team, a few months ago. He probably knows more than most of us do about running a business, let's see where this goes.

This post is an amazing metaphorical Oreo cookie.

The first sentence is ridiculous. Criticism is not a synonym of bullying. Especially when the alleged victim will never see it.

The second sentence is absolutely correct. Criticizing a rich person simply for being rich is nonsensical. Vanisleflamesfan's comments were silly, to say the least.

The third is similar to the first. The fact that Dundon knows something about running a business does not automatically qualify him as a competent manager of a hockey team. There are far too many examples of smart businessmen being stupid sportsmen out there for this to be anything more than an appeal to authority.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Man Dudley gets around. He's had to have worked for close to 10 teams in management capacities.

Sens, Lightning, Panthers, Blackhawks, Thrashers, Leafs, Habs and now Hurricanes.

In the summer of 1998, he was hired as general manager of the Ottawa Senators for the 1998–99 season, after which he was hired by the Tampa Bay Lightning (who traded Rob Zamuner as part of a package for the rights to negotiate with Dudley.) He was released by the Lightning in February 2002 and took over as GM of the Florida Panthers in May of the same year. Two years later, he was let go once more and joined the Blackhawks organization as a hockey consultant before rising to the level of assistant general manager in 2006.[2][3]

On June 18, 2009, Dudley resigned from the Blackhawks in order to join the Atlanta Thrashers as Assistant GM.[4] On April 14, 2010, Dudley was named General Manager,[5] replacing Don Waddell, who became club President. Shortly after settling into his new position, when free agency began on July 1, 2010, Dudley aggressively pursued and obtained four players, including Dustin Byfuglien, Andrew Ladd, and an assistant coach, John Torchetti, from the 2010 Stanley Cup champion Chicago Blackhawks. Dudley was dismissed from the team when it moved to Winnipeg in 2011.

Dudley was added to the Toronto Maple Leafs management team as Director of Player Personnel on June 24, 2011. A year later, on May 25, 2012, he was appointed to serve as assistant general manager for the Montreal Canadiens. In the official team press release announcing the move, Canadiens General Manager Marc Bergevin said, "Rick Dudley is a very knowledgeable and proficient hockey executive and we are pleased to welcome him in our organization in the position of assistant general manager."

[NiklasSundblad]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You think that's how Newy scored most of his goals?

Yes, that is literally what I think.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by NiklasSundblad

Yes, that is literally what I think.

It sure seemed like it. Newy had all kinds of skill. He had great wheels, good hands and a good shot. He was good at tipping, but he was more of a Monahan than a Ciccerelli.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

This post is an amazing metaphorical Oreo cookie.

The first sentence is ridiculous. Criticism is not a synonym of bullying. Especially when the alleged victim will never see it.

Constructive criticism is certainly valid. But that is not what was posted. It was absolutely destructive and meant to be malicious.

Nothing ridiculous about calling someone out for trying to be malicious.

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The second sentence is absolutely correct. Criticizing a rich person simply for being rich is nonsensical. Vanisleflamesfan's comments were silly, to say the least.

You can criticize someone for being rich, but it should be based on facts. For example, stating that a rich person could spend more on his lawn.

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The third is similar to the first. The fact that Dundon knows something about running a business does not automatically qualify him as a competent manager of a hockey team. There are far too many examples of smart businessmen being stupid sportsmen out there for this to be anything more than an appeal to authority.

There is a difference between owning a team and running the team. There are assorted staff members who bridge that gap for owners. Some owners are really hands on, some aren't. There are just as many examples, if not more, of successful teams whose success comes from really good ownership.

Besides any of that, let's criticize what someone has done, which is fair.

[vanisleflamesfan]

Nm

[vanisleflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Constructive criticism is certainly valid. But that is not what was posted. It was absolutely destructive and meant to be malicious.

Are you seriously still trying to run with this?

[vanisleflamesfan]

At any rate... I wasn't trying to be malicious. Perhaps go back an re-read what I said.

But I will be malicious now:

Tom Dundon wasn't a 'self-made man'. He inherited the money that he used to get started in business. And what's more, that business was a particularly despicable predatory sub-prime loans business. Tom then stepped down from the company (and took home over 780 million in 'friendly goodbye' money) right before the legal axe fell on his company.

Now this highly unethical businessman is going to own an NHL team and meddle with it because he feels that he knows more than life-long hockey people?

Tom Dundon is not a good person. We need fewer billionaires who make their money in the way that Dundon did. We need to stop deifying people like him and call them out for what they are.

Again, my original post was NOT malicious, nor did I call him out "because he has money" like some have suggested. I was calling out the attitude of people who have money because of particular advantages that had nothing to do with them other than luck, perpetuating the narrative that they are where they are because they are smarter than everyone else.

[vanisleflamesfan]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Are you sure this is a billionaire getting bullied? First of all it's in a forum he's (likely) not present at. Without interaction and intimidation, he's not being bullied. Second, bullying involves using a position of power to intimidate, which is also not the case. The billionaire has far more power than the forum member.

Anyway, also... this.

[GioforPM]

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by vanisleflamesfan

At any rate... I wasn't trying to be malicious. Perhaps go back an re-read what I said.

But I will be malicious now:

Tom Dundon wasn't a 'self-made man'. He inherited the money that he used to get started in business. And what's more, that business was a particularly despicable predatory sub-prime loans business. Tom then stepped down from the company (and took home over 780 million in 'friendly goodbye' money) right before the legal axe fell on his company.

Now this highly unethical businessman is going to own an NHL team and meddle with it because he feels that he knows more than life-long hockey people?

Tom Dundon is not a good person. We need fewer billionaires who make their money in the way that Dundon did. We need to stop deifying people like him and call them out for what they are.

Again, my original post was NOT malicious, nor did I call him out "because he has money" like some have suggested. I was calling out the attitude of people who have money because of particular advantages that had nothing to do with them other than luck, perpetuating the narrative that they are where they are because they are smarter than everyone else.

You sound more jealous than anything else. You could say a Flames owner made his money raping the earth and ruining the environment.
Why not rant about him?

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

You sound more jealous than anything else. You could say a Flames owner made his money raping the earth and ruining the environment.
Why not rant about him?

This is of course the stupidest reasoning on the planet: "yeah, what about some other guy?" As if all conception of morality or proportion disappears in a puff of hypocritical smoke.

"Did you just rape and murder a small village?" -- "Yeah but some other guy didn't sort his recycling!!!!111 And Al Gore drives a car."

We got a stable genius here.

[4X4]

Yeah but why is it about how he got rich, instead of his crap job of meddling? It's just such a lame rallying point to gather the pitchforks over. The guy is richer than you. Boo hoo.

[4X4]

Oops, I forgot to use a lot of quotations and rolleyes to make my point.