I don't mind this. Jankowski gets a shot in camp, but since our centre position has dramatically lowered in depth since the departure of Arnold, Colborne, Agostino, Byron days, there's not much in the system behind Freddy Hamilton
Huh? Colborne was a winger for us. Agostino was a minor league winger. Arnold was never in the equation. Their impact on our centre depth was non-existent. Strangely you don't mention Grant who was actually was a centre and actually played some NHL games.
Not sure people should be assuming Backlund will miss the start of the season. He might but he could just as easily be healthy within a week. We'll have to see won't we?
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Mark Jankowski just made the team. Not the way I would have liked to see it though. Get well soon Backlund.
Could be a blessing in disguise. Sweden's shutdown line of Landeskog-Soderberg-Backlund.... could be our second/third line of Tkachuk-Jankowski-Backlund
Then Ferland-Bennett-Frolik as our other second line.
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There is 0 "silver lining" to this. Best case scenario, Backlund is in less than ideal condition to start training camp but doesn't miss any games. That's still not good for us starting the season firing on all cylinders.
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Think he tried to be as clean as possible on the hit. Think Backs had his head down and was in a bad spot (that's on him). Still think the first/primary point of contact was the head.
Those IMO are the facts.
I agree.
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Does that make it 'dirty'? Probably not. Still not 'clean' either. Right in the grey area.
I don't think it's grey area.
Lepistö had time to see Backlund was coming at him head first and head pretty low. I don't think he made enough effort to avoid hitting him in the head. Lepistö could have gone lower to match Backlunds position. It would probably have ended with Backlund flying just as spectacularly or even more so, but at least it's not a hit to the head, and at least he'd have made the effort.
Wouldn't call it 'dirty' either though, that would to me imply intention to hit the head. I just think Lepistö was not as careful as he should and could have been. Maybe at best worthy of a 1 game suspension in a tournament like this, just to remind that you need to make that effort to avoid the head.
All that said, the way Backlund was going, he was setting himself up for a big hit and going for A hit was absolutely the right move from Lepistö at that point. And yeah, looking at that slow motion, when Backlund sees the hit coming he reacts by starting to put his head down. It's a very human reflex, but makes the results worse.
But I will always put the final responsibility on the guy making the hit.
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Clearly you don't know about the new rule changes for hits to the head. You don't need to target the head for it to be considered an illegal head hit. You could be going for a clean body check and accidentally hit the head and it would still be considered dirty.
No it wouldn't.
See the following NHL video showing examples of hits that contact the head which are nonetheless legal because the head wasn't targeted, and the contact to the head was part of a "full body hit":
Seems to me that none of the circumstances in that NHL video apply. It wasn't a full-body check, as the head was the principal point of impact, with incidental contact to the chest afterwards. Backlund didn't make any sudden moves before the hit. And as Itse points out, Lepistö did not make any effort to hit Backlund in a legal way. He simply led with his shoulder, which was at exactly the height of Backlund's face, and he had enough time to see that this was the case.
Either Lepistö was targeting the head, or he had no idea how to target a hit at all. A player good enough to make the Finnish national team should be expected to know that. I find the argument that there wasn't intent a very weak one.
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I like Janko but backlund's speed and puck carrying abilities aren't about to be replaced by him. Jankowski is more like a Zajac light. A great player, but we need speed down the middle.
I don't think it was a clean hit by rule book standards, but I also don't think it was an intentionally dirty hit by Lepisto. My guess is that he expected Backlund to get his head up earlier and attempt a side step.
The game is just too fast sometimes.
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There is 0 "silver lining" to this. Best case scenario, Backlund is in less than ideal condition to start training camp but doesn't miss any games. That's still not good for us starting the season firing on all cylinders.
Wouldn't best case scenario be that he was taken out for precautionary reasons, sits a couple of days, then shows up at camp 100%?
At full speed, that hit happens instantaneously. Lepisto is stepping up on his man at the blue line in a one goal game against his biggest international rival.
It's an unfortunate result. I feel for Backlund. But it's a violent game.
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There is 0 "silver lining" to this. Best case scenario, Backlund is in less than ideal condition to start training camp but doesn't miss any games. That's still not good for us starting the season firing on all cylinders.
The best case scenario is that Backlund is in the lineup on opening night. And he WILL be in fine condition; he's been playing in a best-on-best int'l tournament the past two weeks, for crying out loud.
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This argument is up there with some of the sillier arguments...
Arguing Dirty and Illigal in this context is symantecs..
You only have to ask yourself one question. Targeted or not, Dirty or illegal, intentional or by unavoidable accident, was the head the principal point of contact?
Remember, if it's deemed intentional, that's a 5 minute major. Unintentional, 2 minute penalty.
This argument is up there with some of the sillier arguments...
Arguing Dirty and Illigal in this context is symantecs..
You only have to ask yourself one question. Targeted or not, Dirty or illegal, intentional or by unavoidable accident, was the head the principal point of contact?
Remember, if it's deemed intentional, that's a 5 minute major. Unintentional, 2 minute penalty.
Both are against the rules in today's NHL.
Based on the one angle I've seen that looks like a full body hit.
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At full speed, that hit happens instantaneously. Lepisto is stepping up on his man at the blue line in a one goal game against his biggest international rival.
It's an unfortunate result. I feel for Backlund. But it's a violent game.
McGrats was right - they're taking hits out of the game. People are just pissy that they might lose Backlund for some games. If it was a player who wasn't a Flame, this would not be a discussion.
But in all honesty, the defenseman is just stepping up to hit Backlund off the puck. Backs is skating head first with his head up and Lepisto just went shoulder first. Lepisto didn't jump off his feet. He didn't blindside Backs from the east/west. He didn't use an elbow. He didn't even try to catch Backs with his head down looking at the puck (ie, predatory hit)
The onus should be on Backlund to expect to receive a hit while carrying the puck because that's how hockey is played. Lepisto carried his responsibilities out by ensuring his hit is as clean as possible. Backs skating like a speed skater with his head sticking out like a huge target is on him, not on Lepisto.
