What Are Your Picks For 5 Major Offseason Move By Flames

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Hahahahahahahaha

Are you seriously suggesting the Flames shouldn't sign 13 and 23? Ridiculous.

Just when we thought the thread was back on track with the topic at hand...

[Badgers Nose]

HC: Dineen
6th overall: Traded
starting goalie: Reimer
biggest roster player trade: Wideman along with 6th
buyout: no

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

HC - Darryl Sutter

Trade - Colborne, Wideman, Bouma/Ferland, Wotherspoon

UFA - Lucic, Backes?

I don't know why you'd want to trade Ferland and acquire Lucic for a lot more.
Don't get me wrong I like Lucic, but I think Ferland could turn out to be the same type of player.

[Lanny_McDonald]

HC: Nate Leaman
6th: Traded along with #54 and #65 for #14, #20, #32 and #44
UFA: Troy Brower
Goalie: Reimer
Trade: Wideman and pieces for Nichushkin

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by New Era

HC: Nate Leaman
6th: Traded along with #54 and #65 for #14, #20, #32 and #44
UFA: Troy Brower
Goalie: Reimer
Trade: Wideman and pieces for Nichushkin

Given that the draft quality is said to drop off steeply after #20, I'm not sure 32 and 44 are all that valuable.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

Given that the draft quality is said to drop off steeply after #20, I'm not sure 32 and 44 are all that valuable.

So I guess we should just leave the draft after the 20th pick is made? Good to know. I'm sure Treliving will have the engines on the plane left running then. No use is wasting time by hanging around.

I don't happen to buy the belief that later picks are not valuable. Not for an organization who drafted their two best players in the 4th round in different drafts. I think there is a drop off after three, then a drop off after 20, but I don't believe the drop off is steep by any stretch of the imagination. There is still plenty of fluidity in ratings so I think it just becomes a very wide open field after 20. Lots of potential, but all of it needing development time.

You will also notice that the intent of that trade was to upgrade pretty well every pick we have in the first three rounds, outside of the trade down from #6. If Dallas wins their next game we would be drafting at #14, #20, #29, #32, #35, and #44. Six picks in the top 45. Six picks in the top round and a half of the entry draft. I'll take that in this draft. We may not get the sexy pick, but I think we get a crack at a couple players that should be just as good as what we would get at #6 and then a few players that could turn into important support players down the road.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by New Era

So I guess we should just leave the draft after the 20th pick is made? Good to know. I'm sure Treliving will have the engines on the plane left running then. No use is wasting time by hanging around.

I don't happen to buy the belief that later picks are not valuable. Not for an organization who drafted their two best players in the 4th round in different drafts. I think there is a drop off after three, then a drop off after 20, but I don't believe the drop off is steep by any stretch of the imagination. There is still plenty of fluidity in ratings so I think it just becomes a very wide open field after 20. Lots of potential, but all of it needing development time.

You will also notice that the intent of that trade was to upgrade pretty well every pick we have in the first three rounds, outside of the trade down from #6. If Dallas wins their next game we would be drafting at #14, #20, #29, #32, #35, and #44. Six picks in the top 45. Six picks in the top round and a half of the entry draft. I'll take that in this draft. We may not get the sexy pick, but I think we get a crack at a couple players that should be just as good as what we would get at #6 and then a few players that could turn into important support players down the road.

Keep the 6th pick. Flames need to use some of the other 2nd round picks ( hopefully a Dallas 1st) for a starting goalie and or RW.

I know you want to go Reimer route, but i'm hoping that's plan C for flames management.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

HC: Non-retread, but with NHL ties: Hawerchuk/Green/Boughner/Lowry
6th overall: Dubois (not a gimmee, but could still be there at 6)
starting goalie: Jake Allen or Brian Elliott
biggest roster player trade: Dennis Wideman
buyout: Not worth it (unless Wideman wastes a spot on expansion protection)

[ricardodw]

HC: Sutter
6th overall: Chychrun or Brown
starting goalie: Riemer
biggest roster player trade: Hamilton straight up for Hamonic (Hamilton might want out of Calgary with Sutter as coach)
buyout: Stajan

Hamilton trade fixes long term cap problem.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by New Era

So I guess we should just leave the draft after the 20th pick is made? Good to know. I'm sure Treliving will have the engines on the plane left running then. No use is wasting time by hanging around.

I don't happen to buy the belief that later picks are not valuable. Not for an organization who drafted their two best players in the 4th round in different drafts. I think there is a drop off after three, then a drop off after 20, but I don't believe the drop off is steep by any stretch of the imagination. There is still plenty of fluidity in ratings so I think it just becomes a very wide open field after 20. Lots of potential, but all of it needing development time.

You will also notice that the intent of that trade was to upgrade pretty well every pick we have in the first three rounds, outside of the trade down from #6. If Dallas wins their next game we would be drafting at #14, #20, #29, #32, #35, and #44. Six picks in the top 45. Six picks in the top round and a half of the entry draft. I'll take that in this draft. We may not get the sexy pick, but I think we get a crack at a couple players that should be just as good as what we would get at #6 and then a few players that could turn into important support players down the road.

That's not what I'm suggesting at all. I'm merely saying that in a draft that's not considered very deep it isn't necessarily all that wise to move down into lower tiers. Quality trumps quantity in my view. We already have 10 picks in this draft.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Keep the 6th pick. Flames need to use some of the other 2nd round picks ( hopefully a Dallas 1st) for a starting goalie and or RW.

I know you want to go Reimer route, but i'm hoping that's plan C for flames management.

I'm not sold on a player at 6 being any better than a player at 14-20, especially based on team needs. Personally, I'd rather have the extra pick. I think we are better off having the extra bullet in the magazine. us, having that extra bullet in the magazine gives an addition high value asset to make a deal for that goaltender or RW. Making the makes it possible to make the other deal and have us walk away with better assets overall IMO.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

biggest roster player trade: Hamilton straight up for Hamonic (Hamilton might want out of Calgary with Sutter as coach)
buyout: Stajan

Hamilton trade fixes long term cap problem.

So trading Hamilton for Hamonic fixes the long term cap problem? I guess trading away Monahan for Carter Camper would clear up a bunch of cap room too! Come on Ricardo, we know you hate Hamilton but even you have to admit he's better than Hamonic. The isles would be all over that in a second even though they'd be taking back a higher contract . Every other team would make that trade too because Hamilton is better. And your reason for leaving would be because he might want out??

Come on man!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

That's not what I'm suggesting at all. I'm merely saying that in a draft that's not considered very deep it isn't necessarily all that wise to move down into lower tiers. Quality trumps quantity in my view. We already have 10 picks in this draft.

The problem is that have to believe that the player you are getting at #6 is better than th player you would be getting at #14 or 20. I'm of the belief that the quality is about the same and it boils down to players that fit best. I don't believe Nylander is a good fit and I don't like any of the defensemen that in that band. I do like several players after those (Max Jones, Michael McLeod, Riley Tufte, Julien Gauthier, Logan Stanley, Nate Bastien, Mitch Mattson) who fit organizational needs and desires much more. I'd be fine picking up an extra 1st and improving our 2nd round picks to move down and pass up a player I don't think we have much interest in. To me, I've addressed quantity and quality in the same trade. Unless someone rated in the top five falls in our lap at 6, I move the pick.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

HC: Sutter
6th overall: Chychrun or Brown
starting goalie: Riemer
biggest roster player trade: Hamilton straight up for Hamonic (Hamilton might want out of Calgary with Sutter as coach)
buyout: Stajan

Hamilton trade fixes long term cap problem.

Why on Earth would Hamilton demand a trade? Why? He has a position here to be our #2, or even #1 defenseman for years! We're paying him excellent money. Is Darryl Sutter really going to make him want to leave?

Does Darryl Sutter clash with all young skilled defensemen? Is that why Drew Doughty has two Stanley Cups?

Ricardo, it really isn't necessary to bog down every single thread with this Hamilton-hating nonsense. There is no precedent here. Sutter will likely not even come here as coach. And how do you know he won't get along with Hamilton?

Also, what long-term cap problem? I can't see one, to be honest. Don't you think trading Wideman, even at 50% retained would be a better way to save ourselves $2.75 million? And then $5.5 million? For ever, after that? Instead of saving not even $3 million to employ a not-as-good defenseman in Travis Hamonic instead of Dougie Hamilton, who happens to be three years younger, as well?

This is simply mind-bottling.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I've done a lot of thinking on this topic, but I'm not sure I have any better answer than the one's already posted. Here goes:

Head Coach: Luke Richardson.
Best coach outside of the NHL. I've made his case in the other thread.

6th Overall Pick: Pierre-Luc Dubois.
I don't know why, I just think it works out this way. I can somewhat guess as to which player each team ahead of us would take leading up to our spot, and Dubois is likely available.

#1 Goalie: Marc-Andre Fleury.
Pittsburgh has far too many huge contracts at long term to continue carrying Fleury when Murray has proven to be very capable. They are already at the cap next year without even attempting to sign their RFAs, let alone any UFAs. Flames make a trade to acquire him giving up McDonald and Wotherspoon in return.

Roster Trade: Dennis Wideman.
To Coyotes with 25% salary retained in exchange for Brad Richardson. $2 M for 2 more years. Good checking RW with size and decent wheels who can score 10 goals a year and win face-offs if needed. He can also slide into 4th line center if needed. Coyotes get a complimentary offensive d-man in a group that struggled to add offense outside of OEL. Flames get a solid depth RWer who checks some boxes. Win-win.

Buyout: Mason Raymond and Matt Stajan.
Raymond is an AHLer and thus we shouldn't be paying him to take up a roster spot on the farm club being paid like an NHLer. Buyout saves us $2 million next year, but costs us a million the following year.
Stajan can barely handle 4th line duties these days, and does not give us any physical element whatsoever. Incredibly overpaid at $3+ M for another 2 years and rapidly declining. We have to cut bait now. His buyout saves us over $2 million this year and more than $1 million the following year, but then it costs us $800 K for two years after. I can live with that.

UFA Signing: Kyle Okposo.
4 years at $4.5 million. We get that big mucking RWer to play on the top line with Gaudreau and Monahan. Re-sign Nakladal on a 2 year deal.

RFAs: Re-sign Gaudreau, Monahan, Colborne, and Ortio.

Other: Jankowski and Hathaway make the team out of camp.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the 2016/17 Calgary Flames.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Okposo
Colborne-Bennett-Frolik
Ferland-Backlund-Richardson
Bouma-Jankowski-Hathaway
Bollig

Giordano-Hamilton
Jokipakka-Brodie
Engelland-Nakladal

Fleury
Ortio

Cap hit of $65-68 million if I did everything right.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the 2016/17 Calgary Flames.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Okposo
Colborne-Bennett-Frolik
Ferland-Backlund-Richardson
Bouma-Jankowski-Hathaway
Bollig

Giordano-Hamilton
Jokipakka-Brodie
Engelland-Nakladal

Fleury
Ortio

Luke Richardson must be a helluva head coach to be able to instruct his team while playing on the third line.

[Krule]

Head Coach: D. Sutter
Draft at 6: Chychryn (my hope)/ Tkachuk
G: Anderson
Big Trade: Wideman (some salary retained), Colborne and prospect/pick as a package to NYI for Hamonic and prospect/pick
Buyout: Raymond

[Benched]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I've done a lot of thinking on this topic, but I'm not sure I have any better answer than the one's already posted. Here goes:

Head Coach: Luke Richardson.
Best coach outside of the NHL. I've made his case in the other thread.

6th Overall Pick: Pierre-Luc Dubois.
I don't know why, I just think it works out this way. I can somewhat guess as to which player each team ahead of us would take leading up to our spot, and Dubois is likely available.

#1 Goalie: Marc-Andre Fleury.
Pittsburgh has far too many huge contracts at long term to continue carrying Fleury when Murray has proven to be very capable. They are already at the cap next year without even attempting to sign their RFAs, let alone any UFAs. Flames make a trade to acquire him giving up McDonald and Wotherspoon in return.

Roster Trade: Dennis Wideman.
To Coyotes with 25% salary retained in exchange for Brad Richardson. $2 M for 2 more years. Good checking RW with size and decent wheels who can score 10 goals a year and win face-offs if needed. He can also slide into 4th line center if needed. Coyotes get a complimentary offensive d-man in a group that struggled to add offense outside of OEL. Flames get a solid depth RWer who checks some boxes. Win-win.

Buyout: Mason Raymond and Matt Stajan.
Raymond is an AHLer and thus we shouldn't be paying him to take up a roster spot on the farm club being paid like an NHLer. Buyout saves us $2 million next year, but costs us a million the following year.
Stajan can barely handle 4th line duties these days, and does not give us any physical element whatsoever. Incredibly overpaid at $3+ M for another 2 years and rapidly declining. We have to cut bait now. His buyout saves us over $2 million this year and more than $1 million the following year, but then it costs us $800 K for two years after. I can live with that.

UFA Signing: Kyle Okposo.
4 years at $4.5 million. We get that big mucking RWer to play on the top line with Gaudreau and Monahan. Re-sign Nakladal on a 2 year deal.

RFAs: Re-sign Gaudreau, Monahan, Colborne, and Ortio.

Other: Jankowski and Hathaway make the team out of camp.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the 2016/17 Calgary Flames.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Okposo
Colborne-Bennett-Frolik
Ferland-Backlund-Richardson
Bouma-Jankowski-Hathaway
Bollig

Giordano-Hamilton
Jokipakka-Brodie
Engelland-Nakladal

Fleury
Ortio

Cap hit of $65-68 million if I did everything right.

I could live with all of this. Nice post.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Luke Richardson must be a helluva head coach to be able to instruct his team while playing on the third line.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by Poe969

So trading Hamilton for Hamonic fixes the long term cap problem? I guess trading away Monahan for Carter Camper would clear up a bunch of cap room too! Come on Ricardo, we know you hate Hamilton but even you have to admit he's better than Hamonic. The isles would be all over that in a second even though they'd be taking back a higher contract . Every other team would make that trade too because Hamilton is better. And your reason for leaving would be because he might want out??

Come on man!

I don't think it's as far fetched as you're making it out to be. Hamonic was a beast in the playoffs who could play 25+ mins per game of tough minutes. Sure, his offence isn't comparable to Dougie but we already have Brodie and Giordano. IMO, Hamonic's defensive game is much better than Dougie's. Given the great value contract Hamonic signed and our team makeup, all things considered, I think I'd rather have Hamonic + the extra $1.9M in cap space. Goes with the new mantra of getting tougher to play against too.

Having said that, I agree that we don't need to offload Dougie to resolve our cap issues. There are much better ways to do that...