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Old 07-24-2015, 11:03 AM   #61
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I blame Jesus for the low oil prices.
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Old 07-24-2015, 11:04 AM   #62
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lol.

Source?
You need a source to know our world today has less and less direct human interactions than before? I'm not a "texter" but I probably send about 200 texts a month.

As far as OP - what if the wrong side wins said WWIII? We'd be pretty hooped. (that is of course if there's no nuclear holocaust).
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I blame Jesus for the low oil prices.
The folks who control the price of Oil don't exactly believe in the divinity of Jesus. Just saying.
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You need a source to know our world today has less and less direct human interactions than before? I'm not a "texter" but I probably send about 200 texts a month.

As far as OP - what if the wrong side wins said WWIII? We'd be pretty hooped. (that is of course if there's no nuclear holocaust).
The correct side always wins wars. It just might not necessarily be your side.
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I have a lot of great hobbies. Get a new tux.

As for the OP, I think Cap'n Crunch basically summed it up. Given current levels of tech, a world war would be like a massive heavyweight punch-out at 500x the speed. Even without the nuclear options, the major powers have so much punching power that a lot of people would die very quickly. I was reading the other day about computer-guided rapid-fire guns that knock down mortars, rockets, drones, but oh yeah, also guarantee a 100% kill-shot on human beings.

That said, the world is far from stable, especially given the massive global inequalities, China's possible demographic and economic collapse, and the fact that some pretty heavily armed players (see Russia, ISIL etc...) don't seem to want to buy into the new humanity of the West.

We have seen as Western Europe gets more and more post-political, and the European nation states dissolve increasingly that they have shifted almost all of their defense capacity to the Americans, that worked for the first 5 years of the 21st century, but now as America hits its own debt crunch, and starts rolling back into isolation, you see the same old belligerents taking more and more chances on a global level.

World war would not be an optimal outcome, but something close to it may flare up. The thing is, it would not solve any problems.
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You need a source to know our world today has less and less direct human interactions than before? I'm not a "texter" but I probably send about 200 texts a month.

As far as OP - what if the wrong side wins said WWIII? We'd be pretty hooped. (that is of course if there's no nuclear holocaust).
Exactly. Try spending anytime in a room, along or with others, without reaching for your phone every 12 seconds. It takes an enormous amount of willpower.
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Who is the most wealthy now? I want to know your ideas and won't respond with condescension. People are usually so quick to jump to the rhetoric conspiracy theorist route as if no conspiracies ever happened.

Obviously it's impossible to know everything so being wrong is pretty much inevitable. Hit me with what you got, I want to know because I'm always looking for every side of the story. Don't hold back, if they call you conspiracy theorist it just proves they are biased and ignorant.
Honestly, I have no idea. You can make a good case for the Rothschild, 'Saxe-Coburg and Gotha/Windsor' and Rockefeller families, the Vatican too. Traditionally the monetary elite are 10 steps ahead of the rest of the world and they have no interest in helping us play catch up, that's why you have to reach back over 100 years to be able to make any definitive claims.

I do know Forbes deliberately omits the old money families from their 'wealthiest in the world' lists on the basis that it is so difficult to get a comprehensive understanding of their finances and who's actually pulling the purse strings. Also, Forbes lists are meant more to recognize entrepreneurial success rather than who's actually the wealthiest.

Learning about these families has reinforced to me that 'money' is the one true god of this world, all morality and justice bow to the dollar. The best way to understand any situation is to follow the money.

This is probably the best comprehensive video I've seen on the Rothschild house (please ignore the ridiculous thumbnail, the analysis itself is much more level headed than the thumbnail implies):


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Brain.
Ah.

Well my brain says I don't feel lonely or disassociated . If anything, social media has us more connected than ever before. Never has it been easier to reach out to old friends or stay in touch with people you meet around the world. I can txt my friends and family and chat throughout the day instead of calling them once in a while. People hold more friends and healthy relationships than ever before. I can use the internet to help me find a significant other with pretty good success rates. Hell, even this forum is a community with regular meet ups if you wish to partake. I can easily log on to the internet or turn on the TV and find causes I want to support, hobbies I want to take up or things I want to do.

Diversion by screens? Seriously? Never in human history has there been more transparency regarding every aspect of life. It is hilarious that you think RELIGION of all things is the cure to "Diversion". The literal cause of the dark ages. The darkest period in human history. That is your solution?

lol.

Fact of the matter is the average person has access to more knowledge than ever before. The biggest threat to religion is knowledge. Do you think it's a coincidence that the rise of the information age coincides strongly with the rise of atheism?

It's okay man. You're part of a shrinking majority. I'd panic too. Maybe God will help you.
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I have a lot of great hobbies. Get a new tux.

As for the OP, I think Cap'n Crunch basically summed it up. Given current levels of tech, a world war would be like a massive heavyweight punch-out at 500x the speed. Even without the nuclear options, the major powers have so much punching power that a lot of people would die very quickly. I was reading the other day about computer-guided rapid-fire guns that knock down mortars, rockets, drones, but oh yeah, also guarantee a 100% kill-shot on human beings.

That said, the world is far from stable, especially given the massive global inequalities, China's possible demographic and economic collapse, and the fact that some pretty heavily armed players (see Russia, ISIL etc...) don't seem to want to buy into the new humanity of the West.

We have seen as Western Europe gets more and more post-political, and the European nation states dissolve increasingly that they have shifted almost all of their defense capacity to the Americans, that worked for the first 5 years of the 21st century, but now as America hits its own debt crunch, and starts rolling back into isolation, you see the same old belligerents taking more and more chances on a global level.

World war would not be an optimal outcome, but something close to it may flare up. The thing is, it would not solve any problems.
I disagree. I think conventional warfare between states is obsolete because states know it would inevitably lead to nuclear warfare. In fact, it would probably start out as nuclear war, and they'd skip conventional methods altogether if it ever came down to that.

I just don't think people nowadays are as nationalistic or patriotic as they were in the 20th century, and if it came down to submitting to a foreign ruler or die defending your country, folks would at least give the foreign ruler a try.
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Ever stop to wonder if the Milk Way Galactic Society decided to cease all contact from Earth until we humans reach a higher "status" and fix the so called problems?

Perhaps they're just blocking all of our radio signals and transmissions because they see us as inferior and disruptive to their society.
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You need a source to know our world today has less and less direct human interactions than before? I'm not a "texter" but I probably send about 200 texts a month.

As far as OP - what if the wrong side wins said WWIII? We'd be pretty hooped. (that is of course if there's no nuclear holocaust).
Wait, so talking to people more often has you less connected?

My parents would chat with their friends a couple times a week over the phone. I don't go more than an hour without talking to one of my friends or family.
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Old 07-24-2015, 11:13 AM   #72
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Talking to a retired military guy today he thinks it'll take a world war to reset society and sees no other way, when you look at it there seems to be nothing positive on a world scale happening.

- ISIS in the middle east
- Russia trying to take Ukraine and maybe more
- Saudi's screwing up oil prices
- Euro country's on the brink of bankruptcy
- Iran trying to build a bomb (to end Israel)
- mass shootings in the USA

It goes on and on, the world is truly crap

People have said for a few years now it would take WWIII to fix global economy but would it fix global ######ation as well.?
For all of these items, you are mis-attributing the blame or you are being too short-sighted to realize that they are the results of the last World War and starting another one would be global ######ation on a bigger scale. The world has always been crap. If you can't see that, you've been blind to history.

1. ISIS is the logical end-result of decades of poor post-colonial and cold-war manipulation of the middle-east by Western & Eastern Bloc powers after WWII which led to many of those countries being rules by dictatorships and corrupt governments who served as vassals for the superpowers during those times. The oppression of the populace in these countries served as a catalyst for extremist religion and violent conflict/uprisings to take place there. Once those uprisings took place, it was natural that the victors would start trying to expand their territory and power and wealth. This is the one instance where war is already existing and inevitable if their expansion is to be stopped but if you really want another World War, it's likely you'll have the same problems that happened after WWII leading to this all over again.

2. That Russia has become militarily expansionist should be no surprise to anybody. The expansionist, assimilating, and military policies of modern day Russia that Putin subscribes to are rooted in the WWII/Cold War experience of building a communist bloc and the myth of the Soviet superpower/golden age. Unfortunately, nobody outside of the territories being invaded has the will to fight back as we precisely do not want to start another global conflict.

3. The Saudi's are not responsible for propping up global oil prices. It's American production that has caused oversupply. If you are a farmer and you sell corn for $1/cob and an American farmer floods the market with extra corn production that drops the price to $0.50/cob, it's not your responsibility to stop producing corn so that the price can go back to $1. Starting a war would definitely drive up oil prices but are you really rooting for cheaper gas because people are killing each other?

4. Greece, Spain, and Ireland suffered the most from their respective recessions. Spain was able to recover, Ireland is struggling, but Greece is an example of a country that was admitted to the EU too hastily. They were admitted based on falsified economic numbers and empty promises, their local politics are unstable, and their underground economic culture do not mesh with other economies in the EU. The ambitions to create a United States of Europe are possibly too high for this point in time as the weaker countries are dragging the system down and corrupt banking is unwilling to forgive debt they engendered in the first place. The EU arose from WWII to interlock the coal & steel economies of France and Germany so that they would never go to war again, this makes another world war caused by European powers almost impossible. Another war wouldn't do anything to fix the situation. It would just destroy more capital/industry/economies, take away more lives, and cause another recession that will take Europe decades to dig out from under.

5. Did you miss the fact that Iran has just signed a deal with the UN Security Council and the EU to spin down their nuclear weapons program in return for relaxed economic sanctions? This will lead to more problems with your point about oil prices as Iranian oil could soon flood the market but they are less interested in the moment about bombing Israel than they are about making more money and fighting off ISIS. Iranian forces are some of the primary forces combatting ISIS in the middle east right now. Iran is majority #####e Muslim country whose boarders are being encroached upon. ISIS is a Sunni force that wishes to wipe out #####es, local governments, and establish more territory for their caliphate. Avoiding another world war is exactly the reason the nuclear deal was made.

6. Shootings in America have always been a problem for its entire existence. There is no way to fix this aside from removing the abundance of easily obtainable firearms from the general populace. Any criminal or nutcase can easily obtain a firearm and it simply takes one out of a population of millions to pull a trigger and kill several people at once. Removing firearms from the population/general circulation is not a realistic or fair solution given the politics and history of the United States. As long as the guns are there, this problem will always exist and there is no solution. I don't see how another War could solve this. If anything, that would flood the market with even more guns.

The world has always been bad, in-fact, it's probably been worse overall throughout history. We are actually at a high-point of civilization today. That you don't see this means you don't understand enough about it or have too short-sighted a view.

If anybody is advocating WWIII, I'm sorry but you are stupid in the head. With modern weapons, WWIII would be the end of civilization entirely.
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I didn't mean you. I meant the apparent increasing amount of lonely and disassociated people.

And I have a new tux. It was a great price.
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Wait, so talking to people more often has you less connected?

My parents would chat with their friends a couple times a week over the phone. I don't go more than an hour without talking to one of my friends or family.
I view it differently. I live away from all my family and friends. When I visit them both in Canada and overseas, they can't help themselves but go on their phones to see whats new or to text other friends and family, or to show me the newest cat video on youtube.

So while you are alone, yes, you are more connected in this day and age more than ever. However, I think the connectedness is leading more and more people to seek out being alone. I.e.: they'd RATHER text/email/digitally communicate than actually talk and or meet up.
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forget war - world domination should be settled via a standing broad jump competiton, or some type of break-dance contest.

i for one would welcome, the hip-hopping, break-dancing overloads
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I view it differently. I live away from all my family and friends. When I visit them both in Canada and overseas, they can't help themselves but go on their phones to see whats new or to text other friends and family, or to show me the newest cat video on youtube.

So while you are alone, yes, you are more connected in this day and age more than ever. However, I think the connectedness is leading more and more people to seek out being alone. I.e.: they'd RATHER text/email/digitally communicate than actually talk and or meet up.
I think now we're talking on a person by person basis. I agree some people are like that but some people aren't.

People can choose to use these social tools how they see fit but they do exist on a level like never before.

I think someone living in the 1800's who was in awe of the telegram would be quite disappointed in the people who are taking this connected world for granted. Remember being a kid and dreaming about video phones and the future or communication? Now we have all of that and more and people are complaining. I think it's hilarious. Very "Good Ol' Days".
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I view it differently. I live away from all my family and friends. When I visit them both in Canada and overseas, they can't help themselves but go on their phones to see whats new or to text other friends and family, or to show me the newest cat video on youtube.

So while you are alone, yes, you are more connected in this day and age more than ever. However, I think the connectedness is leading more and more people to seek out being alone. I.e.: they'd RATHER text/email/digitally communicate than actually talk and or meet up.
What polak doesn't understand, and that is an understatement, is that all technology has good things, and bad things.

EDIT: One of my favourite writers, Peter Lawler, has a great essay on one of my favourite, and indeed, greatest, comedians, Louis C.K. Keep in mind, Lawler is also a CATHOLIC.

http://bigthink.com/rightly-understo...he-smart-phone

As we gain more, we also lose some things. The point of being an intelligent person is to understand both sides.

Look at the Hikikomori in Japan, a phenomenon spreading across the world, as more and more young people CHOOSE a life of alienation and diversion through technology. Look at the rise in ED in men under 25 that is almost certainly linked to the absolute immersive presence of pornography.

As for religion, no that did not cause the Dark Ages. That would be the collapse of the Roman Empire, an irreducibly complex event that was the result of massive waves of immigration, corruption, spiritual loss...

Religion was omnipresent during medieval times, but there was never an "Age of Faith," nor did the Church form anything close to a political entity. Mainly because Christianity doesn't really mesh to well with politics.

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Is not the entirety of the Catholic church through history an exercise in political entity????
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Is not the entirety of the Catholic church through history an exercise in political entity????
Well, I get in trouble for this all the time here because I talk about book-learning, but, there is a great author and thinker, Pierre Manent, who basically says something like "no, they tried at times, but were more like a mediator between the different warring factions of the Middle Ages, and Early Modern Period."

http://www.amazon.ca/City-Man-Pierre...=pierre+manent

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I disagree. I think conventional warfare between states is obsolete because states know it would inevitably lead to nuclear warfare. In fact, it would probably start out as nuclear war, and they'd skip conventional methods altogether if it ever came down to that.

I just don't think people nowadays are as nationalistic or patriotic as they were in the 20th century, and if it came down to submitting to a foreign ruler or die defending your country, folks would at least give the foreign ruler a try.
There's will be turncoats in every century, and there's been many nationality that have had to suffer through stereotypes

I have a feeling your views may changes when your / our daughters are put in harms way and things become more personal.
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