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Old 07-24-2015, 09:49 AM   #41
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Actually, probably Jesus. In these days of increased autonomy and loneliness, I would not be surprised to see more and more people turning to traditional religion.
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Old 07-24-2015, 09:53 AM   #42
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We live in the most peaceful time that ever existed. The entire planet is more well fed and not people affluent than ever before. The amount of cooperation between countries has never been this great. The amount of healthcare has never been higher or the burden of disease lower.


Why do we need a war?
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IMO the only thing that would unite humanity is making contact or being invaded by extraterrestrials.
Invaded? Yes.

Contact? No. It would divide us more, into 3 factions. i)People who want to create a peaceful co-existence with the aliens and learn from them; ii)People who want to kill them because they're, you know, different and we need their oil!; iii) People who refuse to acknowledge their existence as it goes against the teachings of Jesus and the creation of the Lord. *

Then we would all fight about it and the aliens would say "f*** this" and move on to Kepler-452b to see if they're any more evolved.

* groups ii and iii may have significant overlap.
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Which is funny when you consider it was one of the very few wars in history that actually needed to be fought. It's weird how countries are hesitant to get involved in conflicts that include horrific human rights violations and global domination aspirations when it's difficult to see where they may profit at the end of it all.
the bottom line is this

At the start of WW1, they promoted this as a war when you would be home by Christmas. You're sons would go on a adventure, the nation would be bloodied, but war would be something that was heroic and a large part of nation building and securing additional real estate.

The Trench Horror's changed a lot of minds about the use of war as a diplomatic tools. The Axis and Triple E all expected a quick war, but it dragged on for years and destroyed the young male base of all of the countries involved.

so it went from "Go and fight Jerry, for god mother and country" to "The War to end all wars"

I believe that the punitive reparations requirements were put in place to forever hobble Germany who were seen as a massive ongoing militaristic threat.

Instead they were the ignitor fuse to what was then called "The Great Hate".

also in terms of the unwillingness to get to making war. The Great Depression had stripped a lot of nations of their military budgets. The British, the French, The Americans were just not ready to fight a large scale conflict. The British were highly dependent on their fleet of what turned out to be obsolete battleships. The French built the Maginot line at murderous cost but it cost them in terms of training and equipment and troops. They thought the cheaper option was their own version of the Great Wall of China.

For the American's pre WW2, their military was relatively tiny, and weak, they didn't have much in the way of modern batttle tanks or artillery. For the most part their soldiers trained with wooden guns. They were also caught in a doctrine misunderstanding that frankly saved them at Pearl Harbor as they had relatively few carriers and they weren't at Pearl. The devastating attack looked so destructive because frankly a majority of their naval admiralty still believed in battleships.

so no one was prepared to fight, no one wanted to see another generation of young men lost.

As well Intelligence wasn't what it is today. We talk about the German arms buildup but it wasn't brazen and in everyone's faces like some historians like to position. Hitler was adamant that the build up of planes and tanks and submarines was done secretly. They disguised factories as schools and hospitals and the German Counter Intelligence for a brief period of time showed some competence.

The other reason for the willingness to not fight was that there were a lot of people in governments in Britain, the US and even france who were sympathetic to Germany and on board with how the Nazi's were doing things. Lets not forget that to a lot of German's Hitler was the guy that pulled Germany out of a long dark night. He was a guy that was willing to wake up in the morning with two goals 1) Make German a strong serious player again 2) Tell France to go f themselves.

The horrors of the holocaust were well hidden until late int the war, and a lot of nations were ok with the forced removal of Jews from society.

There was no good reason to go to war with Hitler until he went after a major power. If Hitler wouldn't have gone after France, the World would have been content with Hitler going securing his gains and would have probably encouraged him and provided him with material support to go after Russia.

With Japan, if they hadn't attacked Pearl Harbor and gone into their Island hopping campaign and aimed for Australia, the American's probably would have been content with sitting out the pacific war and continuing to rebuild their navies strength based around a carrier doctrine.
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We live in the most peaceful time that ever existed. The entire planet is more well fed and not people affluent than ever before. The amount of cooperation between countries has never been this great. The amount of healthcare has never been higher or the burden of disease lower.


Why do we need a war?
Prosperity has the unfortunate side-effect of population growth and increasing competition for resources. Combine that with the potential for reducing, or at least changing the habitable areas of the planet due to climate change, and I think there could be a huge correction coming at some point.

Technology might help postpone it, but I doubt that the carrying capacity of the planet can be increased indefinitely.
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Prosperity has the unfortunate side-effect of population growth and increasing competition for resources. Combine that with the potential for reducing, or at least changing the habitable areas of the planet, and I think there could be a huge correction coming at some point.

Technology might help postpone it, but I doubt that the carrying capacity of the planet can be increased indefinitely.
Prosperity also brings growth rate down. Excluding immigration, virtually all prosperous nations growth is below replacement. Make Africa prosperous and the population will shrink
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Invaded? Yes.

Contact? No. It would divide us more, into 3 factions. i)People who want to create a peaceful co-existence with the aliens and learn from them; ii)People who want to kill them because they're, you know, different and we need their oil!; iii) People who refuse to acknowledge their existence as it goes against the teachings of Jesus and the creation of the Lord. *

Then we would all fight about it and the aliens would say "f*** this" and move on to Kepler-452b to see if they're any more evolved.

* groups ii and iii may have significant overlap.
Can I add a fourth group.

The people that know that the Aliens are going to kick the crap out of us and collaborate with them in order to gain power in the new Earth based salt mines.
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World war won't fix anything. Just more destabilization. And if it did fix anything, how long would it stay fixed for?
Probably for 25ish years.
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Can I add a fourth group.

The people that know that the Aliens are going to kick the crap out of us and collaborate with them in order to gain power in the new Earth based salt mines.
Right, with the promise of rule over their own nation on Kepler-452b.
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Can I add a fourth group.

The people that know that the Aliens are going to kick the crap out of us and collaborate with them in order to gain power in the new Earth based salt mines.
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I specifically said to avoid the conspiracy stuff. The benefit to studying their behavior in the 1800s (again, the 1800s) is to better understand the character of the modern ruling elite and financial institutions. I do not presume to understand everything they've done in the past and I have no clue how much influence they have in the modern world.
Who is the most wealthy now? I want to know your ideas and won't respond with condescension. People are usually so quick to jump to the rhetoric conspiracy theorist route as if no conspiracies ever happened.

Obviously it's impossible to know everything so being wrong is pretty much inevitable. Hit me with what you got, I want to know because I'm always looking for every side of the story. Don't hold back, if they call you conspiracy theorist it just proves they are biased and ignorant.

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I believe the US will split again in my life time.

Maybe they'll even ban guns!
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Actually, probably Jesus. In these days of increased autonomy and loneliness, I would not be surprised to see more and more people turning to traditional religion.
Could happen, which may also lead to more wars.
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Turn off your TV.

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Actually, probably Jesus. In these days of increased autonomy and loneliness, I would not be surprised to see more and more people turning to traditional religion.
Atheism in the west is growing faster than ever.
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Atheism in the west is growing faster than ever.
So is loneliness, disassociation, and diversion by screens.
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Oh no.. you took the bait.
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So is loneliness, disassociation, and diversion by screens.
lol.

Source?
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lol.

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So is loneliness, disassociation, and diversion by screens.
Get a hobby.
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