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Old 05-13-2015, 10:30 AM   #61
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I don't think I said I hated him, but I sure posted about it negatively. It was because they showed him every frikkin' time.

On the main question, there were different reasons for non-Canadian wins over time. In the 90s, no cap and the low Canadian dollar made several Canadian teams, including the Flames, uncompetitive as far as the ability to sign good players or hold on to those they drafted. Calgary had to let Newy, MacInnis and Fleury go, while they were either still prime or at least still great.

As was mentioned, Calgary should have won it in '04, and the Oilers could have in the next season.
They should have showed him when we scored too, but of course they didn't.
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Old 05-13-2015, 10:33 AM   #62
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I'm hoping for the Caps as I'm utterly sick of the other four contenders left.
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I stand by my hatred of the old man doing the double guns at the camera after every Ducks goal.

To be fair I also dislike a few Flames fans that always get shown after our goals. Especially the bigger guy on the glass that seems to be a Preds fan first. And the mustached trucker hat guy because he always acts so smug.
LOL, this is all I could think about.

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Old 05-13-2015, 10:48 AM   #64
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I cheer for other Canadian teams to be utilitarian.

Canadian fans care more about winning the Cup than fans in Anaheim, TB, Carolina, etc.

I'll also cheer against Chicago, Boston, LA, etc, since they've won the cup recently and are spoiled by championship teams.
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Old 05-13-2015, 10:49 AM   #65
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I actively make a point to cheer against the other Canadian teams.

1.) I want Calgary to be the team to bring the cup back to Canada

2.) I want the game to grow in the states. I could pretend it's cause I want more talent but it's actually cause I want more fellow fans! The bigger of a deal the NHL becomes the more meaningful it is when we do well. I'm just weird like that. That's why I can't get excited for the CFL. Tough to care when you're the only place that does.
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I might be able to cheer for other Canadian teams if their fans were respectable human beings. But as it stands right now, it's Calgary Flames for me or any American team.
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Old 05-13-2015, 11:12 AM   #67
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Ottawa is the only Canadian NHL franchise (other than Calgary, obviously) that I could cheer for. There's nothing I can dislike about that team.
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Old 05-13-2015, 12:02 PM   #68
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I'm confused, what's 319 Mil? Are we talking about the Raptors budget?
Thats a typo.
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Old 05-13-2015, 12:21 PM   #69
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From 1942 to 1993, the Stanley Cup was won by a Canadian team 36 out of 52 times (69.2%). At no time during that stretch were more than one third of the teams in the NHL based in Canada.

Since the NHL took over the Stanley Cup in 1927, the Cup has been awarded 87 times, and it has gone to a Canadian team 41 of those times. Even after 22 years without a Cup, Canadian teams have still won more than would be expected by straight percentages.

Between 1982 and 1990, there was a Western Canadian team in the Finals every year. Between 1981 and 1994, there was at least one Canadian team among the final four playoff teams every year.

If anything, the last two decades have just been the inevitable correction for the previous dominant years.



Really, though, there's no single reason. Each team has its own reasons for not winning the Cup. Even for each team, the reasons change over time. Singling out the Canadian teams is really just arbitrary.

You could just as easily ask why no Pacific Time Zone team won the Cup until 2007, but have won it three times since. Or, why Dallas in 1999 was the only Central Time Zone team to win the Cup between Chicago's wins in 1961 and 2010. There wasn't even a Mountain Time Zone team in the NHL until 1976, yet between 1984 and 2001, the Cup was won by a Mountain team 8 times.
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Statistically it's just harder for a Canadian team to win the cup 6/30 < 24/30 simple math.
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What is the percentage of Canadian players versus, say, American players with their names on the cup? I bet it's staggeringly high.
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I stand by my hatred of the old man doing the double guns at the camera after every Ducks goal.

To be fair I also dislike a few Flames fans that always get shown after our goals. Especially the bigger guy on the glass that seems to be a Preds fan first. And the mustached trucker hat guy because he always acts so smug.
wasn't that just a Halloween thing, dressed as a preds fan for laughs
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Old 05-13-2015, 09:38 PM   #73
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It's not the Olympics. ONE citys team doesn't carry the weight of a whole nation. Thats the same #### the Raptors and Blue Jays say. In fact in one of the most recent Raptors commercials the say Canada's team and "35 million strong" I'm one of those 35 million strong and hate both sports.




So being a Flames fan you would actually hope the Edm or Van would win if the flames got knocked out. And they didn't?
If Edmonton or Vancouver were playing and American team in the Stanley Cup, I would cheer for Edmonton or Vancouver by virtue of their being a Canadian team. It's not nor does it have to be the Olympics for me to cheer a Canadian vs. an American team (Unless a buddy was playing for the Yanks) - I am capable of suspending rivalry hatred.

I don't pay much attention to baseball and basketball (zzzzzz) but in the unlikely event I was watching the BJ's play Oakland, I'd probably cheer for the BJ's (even tho' the Athletics have cool uniforms).

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Old 05-13-2015, 09:56 PM   #74
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If Edmonton or Vancouver were playing and American team in the Stanley Cup, I would cheer for Edmonton or Vancouver by virtue of their being a Canadian team. It's not nor does it have to be the Olympics for me to cheer a Canadian vs. an American team (Unless a buddy was playing for the Yanks) - I am capable of suspending rivalry hatred.

I don't pay much attention to baseball and basketball (zzzzzz) but in the unlikely event I was watching the BJ's play Oakland, I'd probably cheer for the BJ's (even tho' the Athletics have cool uniforms).
You call yourself a Flames fan and admit you would cheer for the Oilers and Canucks ?

Please turn in your Flames card now.
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Old 05-13-2015, 09:59 PM   #75
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The next time Canada competes for the Stanley Cup will be the first time. It is not an international tournament, it is a club tournament. Not a single one of these teams does now, or ever has, represented the country.

Cheering for the Canadian team just because they are Canadian is nothing more than a manifestation of an inferiority complex.

That said, I don't agree with the suggestion that to be a "hardcore Flames fan", one must cheer against the other Canadian teams. I would always cheer against the Oilers and Canucks because I hate them and their fans suck, but if it came up as someone like Montreal vs. Pittsburgh, I'd probably cheer Montreal since I dislike them less.
As much as I enjoy semantics and non sequitur, I would think it was intuitively obvious what I meant.

While the statement "Cheering for the Canadian team just because they are Canadian is nothing more than a manifestation of an inferiority complex. " may seem profound to those that like to hear their own voice, it is nonsensical. It reads like a tortured analogy with some Psych 201 text wedged into a hockey context.
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If Edmonton or Vancouver were playing and American team in the Stanley Cup, I would cheer for Edmonton or Vancouver by virtue of their being a Canadian team. It's not nor does it have to be the Olympics for me to cheer a Canadian vs. an American team (Unless a buddy was playing for the Yanks) - I am capable of suspending rivalry hatred.

I don't pay much attention to baseball and basketball (zzzzzz) but in the unlikely event I was watching the BJ's play Oakland, I'd probably cheer for the BJ's (even tho' the Athletics have cool uniforms).
Ew dude that is just gross.

They are our biggest rivals, why would you ever cheer for them against some random team like St Louis or Florida?
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wasn't that just a Halloween thing, dressed as a preds fan for laughs
Maybe? He was cheering for Preds goals and everything though... unacceptable!
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statistically it's just harder for a canadian team to win the cup 6/30 < 24/30 simple math.
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Assuming they aren't playing each other, I will cheer for Calgary, Winnipeg and Ottawa.

Any other Canadian team can go play chicken in the highway.
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