To curb delay tactics on face-offs after icing infractions, in situations where the defending team is guilty of a face-off violation, following an icing, the defending player who is initially lined up for the face-off will be given a warning, but will be required to remain in the circle to take the face-off. A second face-off violation by the defending team in such situation will result in a two minute minor bench penalty.
I like this rule. It would have been even better if it included other delay tactics like skates & sticks suddenly not being usable.
You have to think guys will be working on creative ways to hammer the puck in just after crossing the red line causing the puck to deflect out and force more offensive zone faceoffs.
The rule change says it has to be a shot directed at the net. So this isn't going to be an issue.
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I dunno. It will kind of allow these guys to cheat like crazy if they get a free warning every time.
I wouldn't be surprised to see faceoff winning percentage go up for the defending team after an icing.
They already get a free warning, just like they do on every other face off. What they used to do on icing is send a winger in there to take the face off. He'd intentionally get kicked out and the centreman would come in to take he draw. Now, the person doesn't get waived, but the violation is still noted. They have to take the draw.
The only difference is there is no delay between switching from the guy waived to the guy coming in. Once a guy is waived, if the second guy commits an infraction there is a 2 minute minor called. The new rule still follows this, but doesn't let the guy leave the dot.
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They already get a free warning, just like they do on every other face off. What they used to do on icing is send a winger in there to take the face off. He'd intentionally get kicked out and the centreman would come in to take he draw. Now, the person doesn't get waived, but the violation is still noted. They have to take the draw.
The only difference is there is no delay between switching from the guy waived to the guy coming in. Once a guy is waived, if the second guy commits an infraction there is a 2 minute minor called. The new rule still follows this, but doesn't let the guy leave the dot.
I was under the impression that a player can be kicked out of the faceoff circle at any time, first violation or not? They don't always get a free warning do they?
Under the new rule, the centre basically gets to risk a free faceoff violation without fear of being removed from the faceoff circle.
I am not so sure about the tripping modifications. It is an exciting hockey play when a player has to dive and knock the puck away from an opposing player (when done cleanly, sometimes it is just a trip-in-disguise). Every time that happens the other play will now "trip" on the stick, making it a penalty--turning the hero into the goat.
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So they claim. The NHL has a long history of saying it will take steps to curb diving while doing absolutely nothing. The previous rules were supposed to involve public shaming as well. It never happened.
I am not so sure about the tripping modifications. It is an exciting hockey play when a player has to dive and knock the puck away from an opposing player (when done cleanly, sometimes it is just a trip-in-disguise). Every time that happens the other play will now "trip" on the stick, making it a penalty--turning the hero into the goat.
That would be a dive.
The intent of this rule is for those plays where the defender slides into the body of the attacking player and takes them down. Previously that was not a penalty if he got the puck first.
I am not so sure about the tripping modifications. It is an exciting hockey play when a player has to dive and knock the puck away from an opposing player (when done cleanly, sometimes it is just a trip-in-disguise). Every time that happens the other play will now "trip" on the stick, making it a penalty--turning the hero into the goat.
I've waiting for years for the NHL to get rid of this soccer rule. Just because you make contact with the puck first doesn't mean its okay to trip the player.
If a player has the puck he can't turn around and hack a player chasing him down then continue on. So why is it okay for a player to touch the puck and then hack someone down?
The intent of this rule is for those plays where the defender slides into the body of the attacking player and takes them down. Previously that was not a penalty if he got the puck first.
Which was kind of ridiculous in the first place. If you touch the puck first you're allowed to dive into a player? Seems like a trip either way and also needlessly dangerous. Glad that rule is changed.
Which was kind of ridiculous in the first place. If you touch the puck first you're allowed to dive into a player? Seems like a trip either way and also needlessly dangerous. Glad that rule is changed.
Agreed. But, sadly, it means no more hilarious whining from the Red Wings commentators about how plays like this should be legal though:
You have to think guys will be working on creative ways to hammer the puck in just after crossing the red line causing the puck to deflect out and force more offensive zone faceoffs.
I doubt it, since most of the time it will still be better to just hammer it towards to the net.
What we might see is players hammering the puck really hard more often, instead of a more controlled shot, with the idea that if it doesn't go in it might deflect out.
I was under the impression that a player can be kicked out of the faceoff circle at any time, first violation or not? They don't always get a free warning do they?
Under the new rule, the centre basically gets to risk a free faceoff violation without fear of being removed from the faceoff circle.
The only thing that has changed is who takes the faceoff after the first violation. Instead of the winger coming in for the sole purpose of getting kicked out to give his team some time, the centreman will have to remain at the dot. He still gets a penalty if he commits two violations in a row.
This rule change is only to prevent the delay tactic that every team uses after an icing.
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It adds up... so if you're caught 8 times, it's going to be totaling close to $30,000.
Heard on TSN, and I think they mentioned as well that there will be public "shaming" on repeat divers. The suspensions are nice in theory, but at the end of the day they aren't really hurting anyone but themselves, and their personal reputation. Where as bad hits actually do hurt people, and that has a bigger consequence with regards to giving the bad reputation to hockey, so those should be suspendable.
That's still peanuts for them, especially considering he's almost a double-digit offender.
I think diving does exactly the same thing but for the opposite group of people (ie, the roughness deters newcomers from less violent sports. The diving deters traditionalists who want the toughness to remain). Look at soccer. A game that is a skill sport (like hockey) is low scoring (like hockey) and is the most popular sport in the world, but even the people who follow it complain about the diving. And people who hate it generally cite that as a specific reason for why. People may not want to admit it but the diving in the NHL is approaching that level.
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The only thing that has changed is who takes the faceoff after the first violation. Instead of the winger coming in for the sole purpose of getting kicked out to give his team some time, the centreman will have to remain at the dot. He still gets a penalty if he commits two violations in a row.
This rule change is only to prevent the delay tactic that every team uses after an icing.
I agree it will eliminate the winger from coming in to purposely get kicked out.
It will also allow the center to attempt to win the draw through cheating with impunity. If he doesn't get caught win, if he does get caught he still gets another chance.
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My take on some of the changes:
Trip rule changes...A Beaten D-Man remains a Beaten D-Man, and I could see a dangerous tactic, where the puck carrier, when beaten by a diving poke check, makes a conscious move AT the prone player to make sure of contact, and buy a cheap call, becoming the norm.
Trapezoid Change...Just gives the goaltender a little more room to handle the puck, especially just off the post. I always thought it was a little stupid that a goaltender, still in his crease, might get a penalty for reaching a puck just inches off his post...now he would have to have 2 foot longer arms to get tagged.
Diving Fines...The CBA limits fines for things, so they are Capped at $5000...however, tagging coaches and teams, there is NO cap...so fining the Canucks into oblivion would make THIS fan happy, too bad there isn't a 6 figure organizational fine for teams that continually use this tactic (and have the temerity for their worthless GM to lobby publically for calls in his favor!)...unfortunately, it still takes more guts than on-ice refs seem to have to make this call, and give opponents a PP for the truly unsportsmanlike action.
Spinorama...meh...I HATE the shootout, and for regular season, would like to see a 3 point Win, 1 point tie, NO REGULAR SEASON OT, format...Play to WIN or fall behind teams that do, and no more shut down 3rd periods, coaches would have to play to the final whistle to earn the 2 extra points.
Face off changes...to me, the biggest impact this change has, is eliminating the tactical need to but a 2nd Center out for D-Zone draws, relieving coaches of some strategic responsibility
Video...it seems that affordable technology can be incorporated in the pucks and goals to determine EXACT puck position at all times, visible or not. Advancing that technological thought, tracking tech should also be able to determine out of play pucks to the puck over the boards that bounces back and gets scored can never happen again. Video itself, is lower tech, slower, and imperfect, compared to more advanced solutions. (internal Glow Puck technology for camera tracking has been tried YEARS ago!)
Game Misconduct Calls...it remains to be seen if the On-Ice officials will have the guts to make these kind of game-changing calls. (I, for one, HATE that rules that apply in the first period, and are called instantly, are very reluctantly applied late in games and in OT. The ref affects the outcome because he DOESN'T WANT to affect the outcome, and gives the advantage to the cheaters).
Hash Marks...just will make post draw interferences easily to call...IF the refs have the guts to call them (see almost ever draw play in the last playoffs...I don't think that the Kings failed to interfere on a single O-zone draw!)
Puck OOB...I'm not sure I like that a team that is responsible for the puck going OOB doesn't always lose territorial position, but I don't have strong feelings on this, otherwise.
OT changes...OT has no place in the regular season, IMO...and in the post season, there is already a full resurfacing.
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The tripping penalty change sucks. I liked that if a player was chasing an opponent with the puck he still had a chance to legally break up the play if he swept at the puck and contacted it even if the player trips after losing possession. Now if a player gets a stride on a defender there is no legal way to take away possession outside of a penalty. We are going to see a lot more tripping minors now that used to be considered a great defensive play.
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you can still use your stick or dive at the players stick and knock the puck away, you just can't trip or tackle the guy in the process. It just makes sense that it's a penalty, it's like you knocked the puck away and then hit the guy without the puck which should be a penalty for interference....
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The tripping penalty change sucks. I liked that if a player was chasing an opponent with the puck he still had a chance to legally break up the play if he swept at the puck and contacted it even if the player trips after losing possession. Now if a player gets a stride on a defender there is no legal way to take away possession outside of a penalty. We are going to see a lot more tripping minors now that used to be considered a great defensive play.
Thats not whats going to happen is it? Those last ditch dives by the defenceman to knock the puck away are fantastic!
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