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Old 08-13-2014, 03:50 PM   #61
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Thanks, I for one will keep up with this one as well.


How can one claim self defense when you shot someone in the back? What happened to pepper spray and tazer use?

Edit this man has also died in after surgery today.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...813-story.html

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Smith said two veteran gang unit officers with the Newton Division were conducting an investigative stop after “observing Mr. Ford on the sidewalk at 65th Street.”

This case is eriely similar in details. Then at the end they add " Oh ya, and he was going for his gun"

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Old 08-13-2014, 04:05 PM   #62
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11.26 is the dispatch call. The got the info from the news!!!! For many minutes after the shooting the cop had not called it in!!

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Old 08-13-2014, 06:49 PM   #63
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Also the Citys office has been with out online communication since Sunday Night when anonymous took down there servers.

They are also in the process of confirming the Identity of the Police officer of the shooting. They made it clear they need to be 100% sure before releasing this info.


I know people can dislike them but they have done good work before. They found Amanda Todd's abuser, they found Video evidence of the Stubanville rape, they have taken Middle Eastern government sites down and only returned them when the country's let their people have access back to a open internet.
Taking down the police department's comms and trying to put a police officer in mortal danger are not altruistic acts. They are criminal acts and nothing more.

There is ZERO valid reason for the police officer to be publicly identified. Other than to let the "upstanding citizens" who have already threatened his life show up on his doorstep.
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Old 08-13-2014, 07:15 PM   #64
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From the pictures you get the idea that pretty much the only basic requirement for a US police officer is that they know how to shoot.

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Btw, notice how everyone is white. I guess you could argue that since Finland is 95% white this is not a big deal. But I'm pretty sure the Finnish police force isn't 50% female either. Still, not a huge complaint in my books.

However, in Missouri it kind of stands out that with 11% black population there's not a single black person in those pictures.

Unfortunately most officers in the US are poorly trained and aren't normally from the well-educated/highly intelligent parts of the community. At least in the experiences that I've had with police, they're generally kind of power hungry guys looking for reasons to waive their weapons around.

And while I understand the idea that Missouri's population leads to a police force that is primarily white--the community where Ferguson is located is predominantly black--but there are no black officers, and none of the officers that "serve" that community live anywhere near it.

Also as of this evening, two members of the press were arrested while sitting in a McDonalds. Detained, no questions answered, never told why they were being arrested, and then released without any charges. If you're arresting media members, you're first of all infringing on their 1st amendment rights, and secondly--you look really, really bad. If you've got nothing to hide, why would you need the media to be gone?

Here are the two guys who were arrested:
https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery
https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly

If the police in Ferguson are innocent and doing things by protocol--they have a really, really interesting way of showing it.
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Old 08-13-2014, 07:30 PM   #65
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Wow, that police force is just going all in on the moron bet.
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Old 08-13-2014, 07:35 PM   #66
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Wow, that police force is just going all in on the moron bet.
Yep, at the precise moment they should try and look as Andy Rooney/Mayberry as possible they roll out the full camo'd officers with the 30 cal on top of the armoured car, the police chief is obviously a moron if only for his PR skills
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Old 08-13-2014, 07:39 PM   #67
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Yeah, their chief is an idiot. It's Rob Ford level lack of awareness.
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At least we don't give our fat morons guns!!
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Unfortunately most officers in the US are poorly trained and aren't normally from the well-educated/highly intelligent parts of the community. At least in the experiences that I've had with police, they're generally kind of power hungry guys looking for reasons to waive their weapons around.

And while I understand the idea that Missouri's population leads to a police force that is primarily white--the community where Ferguson is located is predominantly black--but there are no black officers, and none of the officers that "serve" that community live anywhere near it.

Also as of this evening, two members of the press were arrested while sitting in a McDonalds. Detained, no questions answered, never told why they were being arrested, and then released without any charges. If you're arresting media members, you're first of all infringing on their 1st amendment rights, and secondly--you look really, really bad. If you've got nothing to hide, why would you need the media to be gone?

Here are the two guys who were arrested:
https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery
https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly

If the police in Ferguson are innocent and doing things by protocol--they have a really, really interesting way of showing it.

I've been following this all evening on Twitter. How freaking stupid are these cops. Still screaming at the crowd calling them animals!! I can't even fathom how this is happening.
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:26 PM   #70
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There seems to be more stuff hitting the fan tonight, several livestreams are capturing it. Officers using tear gas yet again, on what appear to be peaceful protesters, people with livestreams being told to turn off cameras, etc.

Also there's the curiosity of the FAA placing a No Fly Zone over Ferguson.

Times like these make me want to move out of this country.
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There seems to be more stuff hitting the fan tonight, several livestreams are capturing it. Officers using tear gas yet again, on what appear to be peaceful protesters, people with livestreams being told to turn off cameras, etc.

Also there's the curiosity of the FAA placing a No Fly Zone over Ferguson.

Times like these make me want to move out of this country.
It's what everyone should do.
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:34 PM   #72
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They are throwing teargas in the yards of homes where there are not even any protestors.
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:35 PM   #73
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Those pictures are from what?
Sorry, was a bit too unspecific I guess.

Finnish Police academy

Eastern Missouri Police Academy

Southeast Missouri State Police Academy
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Despite my very low opinion of small US police agencies, I've generally taken the police's side on issues like this plenty of times in the past on CP, much to the disapproval of many posters, and might even have a reputation for it now. Generally I'd say we don't know the true story and should wait before we jump all over the cops.

On this one though, I've got nothing. After seeing the reaction the police have to these protests.... These guys have gone full ######.

Just ridiculous.
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:36 PM   #75
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It's what everyone should do.
I'm extremely lucky to be a middle class white woman. I can walk wherever I please without fear of the police attacking or arresting me without cause. I can't imagine what these families feel when fearing for their lives and their children's lives on a regular basis, especially from the people who are supposed to be protecting them.

Really great livestream happening right now.

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9...events/3271930

Lots of coarse language, as to be expected.
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:36 PM   #76
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Sounds like a military state.
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:39 PM   #77
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The police are desperate to stop people who are live streaming this and otherwise trying to video, tweet etc. to get this news spread .
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The police are desperate to stop people who are live streaming this and otherwise trying to video, tweet etc. to get this news spread .
Are they stupid? This isn't 1999.
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:42 PM   #79
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They have ordered all media satellite trucks out of the area or face arrest.
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:44 PM   #80
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Do they know they aren't even allowed to do that?
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