[Signing] Leafs re-sign Gardiner (5yrs, $4.05 mil AAV) - Page 4 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Aarongavey · 07-30-2014, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Anyone who thinks that Brodie and Gardiner were at similar levels last year simply wasn't watching.

I would agree with this, Gardiner is slightly better in my opinion, but it is close. You would have to watch a lot of games to notice the difference it is ever so slight. But they are very comparable players.

Aarongavey · 07-30-2014, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

the issue you are overlooking is Brodie's WOWY's there and also the Corsi by team

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/show...013-14&sit=5v5

Brodie apart from Gio has a cF of 46.4%, with Gio he was 56.2%

Also you mention cF when comparing the two and say that the Leafs were a better team, if you compare the teams by Corsi the Flames were actually 3.7% better

Gardiner actually had the best cF Rel (corsi relative to his teams average) on the leafs at +5.7%

Please do not mention this, it detracts from the narrative that Brodie is way better than Gardiner. Thank you for your consideration on this matter.

Ashasx · 07-30-2014, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Please do not mention this, it detracts from the narrative that Brodie is way better than Gardiner. Thank you for your consideration on this matter.

Isn't this an ironic post?

Every one of our other defensive pairs were absolutely dummied last year in terms of possession and pushing the play forward. Gio-Brodie was the only pairing to come close to keeping their heads above water (so much in fact that they were a top pairing in the league).

Brodie benefited from playing with Gio, but so did Gio from playing with Brodie.

Pair either player with any of our other defencemen and their advanced numbers take a hit

bubbsy · 07-30-2014, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by codynw

Brodie - 31 points in 81 games
Gardiner - 31 points in 80 games

They're basically the same offensively (though I'm hoping this year Brodie will finally break out offensively). Brodie is a better player.

wow. I always felt that brodie has way more offensive potential, and didn't realize he put up this many points last year.

Brodie and Gardiner are likely in the same tier of up and coming dmen, but fairly safe to say that:

Brodie > Gardiner

Brodie would be talked about so much if he played out east. His growth over the past 2 seasons has been unreal.

FAN · 07-30-2014, 09:52 AM

I think Gardiner's offensive upside is higher than Brodie. But I think there is no way that Gardiner will ever be better defensively than Brodie. Gardiner has a long way to go defensively. Brodie is indeed the better defenseman.

BigTuna · 07-31-2014, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

wow. I always felt that brodie has way more offensive potential, and didn't realize he put up this many points last year.

Brodie and Gardiner are likely in the same tier of up and coming dmen, but fairly safe to say that:

Brodie > Gardiner

Brodie would be talked about so much if he played out east. His growth over the past 2 seasons has been unreal.

Players in the West get plenty of credit.

And no, it's not safe to say Brodie is better.

bubbsy · 07-31-2014, 03:30 PM

do you have anything negative to say about the leafs ever? You seem like the prototypical leaf fan.....

anyways, i'd put their skating about equal, offense about the same maybe gardiner a slight edge, and defensively they aren't in the same ballpark.

sportsnet created a montage of gardiner after the signing, bet you nothing of the sorts happens when brodie signs his deal...
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/w...from-gardiner/

BigTuna · 07-31-2014, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Brodie was involved in 14.8% of the Flames' offence, compared to Gardiner's 13.4%.

Brodie had 1:46 PP TOI/game compared to Gardiner's 2:16.

Brodie had 1:57 SH TOI/game compared to Gardiner's 0:37.

Guys, it's not close. Brodie is noticeably better offensively while being much better defensively.

LOL. How is he better? Because of those stats? They had the same points! Have you seen Gardiner move the puck?

Francis's Hairpiece · 07-31-2014, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BigTuna

Players in the West get plenty of credit.

And no, it's not safe to say Brodie is better.

Other than he is a leaf, what makes you think that? Care to offer some rationale or will you just try to baffle us with your BS?

bubbsy · 07-31-2014, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BigTuna

LOL. How is he better? Because of those stats? They had the same points! Have you seen Gardiner move the puck?

those stats are telling in that brodie put up just as many points while gardiner was given more opportune minutes offensively. it also states that the flames coaching staff is much more confident in brodie's defensive game to put him out when the team's shorthanded, which is not the case with gardiner.

Have you seen brodie move the puck, they are just about the same, only difference is that the media has shoved down our throat how great a gliding skater gardiner has been.

codynw · 07-31-2014, 03:35 PM

Leafs fans are the worst.

BigTuna · 07-31-2014, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

those stats are telling in that brodie put up just as many points while gardiner was given more opportune minutes offensively.

Have you seen brodie move the puck, they are just about the same, only difference is that the media has shoved down our throat how great a gliding skater gardiner has been.

There we go again, claiming the media loves the Leafs. What a myth. All their players do is get undervalued and #### on.

Ashasx · 07-31-2014, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BigTuna

LOL. How is he better? Because of those stats? They had the same points! Have you seen Gardiner move the puck?

Or you can ignore every other post I've mine in this thread.

bubbsy · 07-31-2014, 03:39 PM

there's a reason the entire country outside of toronto hates the leafs. the media bias has been prevalent since i was a kid growing up in CGY in the 80s, and is that much and more in the even more media present 21st century.

gardiner isn't being undervalued, i'd say he's almost as good as brodie, so kudos

codynw · 07-31-2014, 03:40 PM

Clearly we're all wrong and Gardiner is going to win the Norris trophy next year.

Francis's Hairpiece · 07-31-2014, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigTuna

There we go again, claiming the media loves the Leafs. What a myth. All their players do is get undervalued and #### on.

Did you watch the montage? Are you aware that when a sports network makes a montage of a player, it isn't to say how terrible they are?

Are you intentionally obtuse, or do you truly not understand what is going on?

BigTuna · 07-31-2014, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

there's a reason the entire country outside of toronto hates the leafs. the media bias has been prevalent since i was a kid growing up in CGY in the 80s, and is that much and more in the even more media present 21st century.

gardiner isn't being undervalued, i'd say he's almost as good as brodie, so kudos

Showing a team the most isn't a "Bias".

And why are there so many Leaf jerseys for Leaf games at the saddledome? No fans outside Toronto? LOL.

Yamer · 07-31-2014, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BigTuna

Showing a team the most isn't a "Bias".

Actually, in a way it kinda is.

codynw · 07-31-2014, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Yamer

Actually, in a way it kinda is.

Especially when the team is bad. If they were as good as the Blackhawks it would be a little more understandable, but the Leafs suck. Why do they show them so much?

Weitz · 07-31-2014, 04:13 PM

It's no bias its that sports stations are a business. If you cater to the most people you make the most money. Like it or not there are far and away more Leafs fans across Canada then probably Flames/Oilers and maybe even Canuck fans combined. There is a reason the big name teams get the most Nationally broadcast games.

It is what it is.