The Cammalleri non-trade

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

When you trade a player because you have to, you end up with Agostino and Hanowski.

And when you trade from a position of strength, you could end up with Nyquist and Tatar

[Coach]

Magneto - Does it ever wake you in the middle of the night? The thought that on that day they passed a foolish decision and didn't trade Cammy?
Xavier - It does indeed.
Magneto - What do you do when you wake up to that?
Xavier - I feel a great swell of pity for the man who passes up the chance to trade Cammy for a 4th round pick.

... This will not destroy the franchise. Being competitive down the stretch and instilling confidence in the team going into next year was important.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

When you trade a player because you have to, you end up with Agostino and Hanowski.

Of course, one has to forget about Klimchuk to make this point stand.

[neo45]

I'm more upset that Feaster gave up a high second to get him, and that Cammy only started playing well the second the trade deadline was over


The player the Flames would have drafted with that pick would have likely either been Petan or Bowey, according to reports

[Greybeard]

GM's are negotiating deals daily. Treliving/Burke must establish a reputation for not caving under pressure. It is better to do no deal at all than a bad deal that sets the tone for you being a patsy.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by Greybeard

GM's are negotiating deals daily. Treliving/Burke must establish a reputation for not caving under pressure. It is better to do no deal at all than a bad deal that sets the tone for you being a patsy.

Would Bolig for 3rd count as being a patsy?

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

The thing that most upsets me is that if we traded Cammy not too much sooner than the deadline, I think we could've got Drouin out of Tampa.

What makes people think this?

there is no way either team even had a conversation involving, Drouin for an average top6 UFA winger

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by #-3

What makes people think this?

They don't, it's a inside joke.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

At the end of the year Fan session I was at a fan suggested the Flames should have taken anything they could get, even a 5th. Burke obviously scoffed at this suggestion, but Treliving added an interesting point.

Even though he wasn't here at the time, Treliving thought Burke did the right thing. He said that that teams do profiling of the other GMs in the league. He said his goes back six or seven years for each other manager in the league and it gives them an idea of who will fold at the end of a negotiation. He said it's very important not to get a reputation as someone who 'takes what they can get'.

Burke also blamed the messed up deadline on Gillis. He said that he was stringing so many teams along, telling them they were close on Kesler, that the every other deal was on the back burner. It was only at the very last minute that teams tried to move on to plan B, and at that point the Cammy was still behind Vanek, Gaborik and Moulson for most teams and time ran out.

Guaranteed Feaster had this reputation. He lost pretty much every major trade in Tampa and Calgary.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Greybeard

It is better to do no deal at all than a bad deal

That's all well and good except that Cammy for nothing (AKA the deal we got) IS a bad deal. Burke/Treliving/Whomever don't get to set the market rate and when the market said that Cammy was worth X then considering the circumstances Burke should have accepted the deal for X.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by Parallex

That's all well and good except that Cammy for nothing (AKA the deal we got) IS a bad deal. Burke/Treliving/Whomever don't get to set the market rate and when the market said that Cammy was worth X then considering the circumstances Burke should have accepted the deal for X.

Is this an inside joke too?
I see people post this sort of thing, and I assume they're joking, but the humour is a little deadpan for me.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Parallex

That's all well and good except that Cammy for nothing (AKA the deal we got) IS a bad deal. Burke/Treliving/Whomever don't get to set the market rate and when the market said that Cammy was worth X then considering the circumstances Burke should have accepted the deal for X.

Unless you consider Cammy's play, leadership, and ability to make the team competitive while sheltering the minutes of young players to be of value greater than that of a 3rd or 4th round pick. Salaries, stats and picks are not the only considerations made when moving a player.

[Hackey]

I've got no issue with a non trade. The market wasn't there and we know this based on the return better players got. I suppose a 3rd rounder would have been alright but we don't even know for sure if that was on the table. Cammy provided a good boost to the team to end the season, we tried to re-sign him and we look like an organization that stands it ground when it comes to getting value in trades. At worst case the value for keeping him matches the value we could have got. I'm just glad that 95% of the posters realize this.

[Gary83]

Originally Posted by #-3

What makes people think this?

there is no way either team even had a conversation involving, Drouin for an average top6 UFA winger

Are you sure about that??

[Resolute 14]

actually, nm. misread.

[Pliddy]

While I agree with Burke about protecting your reputation, I am seriously disappointed that he put himself in that position in the first place. Burke grossly overvalued Cammie and it cost him, Cammie was an aging undersized winger who spent most of the year injured and was not impressing anyone when he came back, his career year was 08/09 and has not been close since. Not exactly 1st round + a prospect material. If Burke would have asked for a second at the start there would have been a good chance that he would not have been affected by the Gillis/Snow log jam

[Barbecue]

The ironic thing with Burke, is that he fired Feaster for not getting enough value out of the Iginla trade.

Now with Burke getting no value out of Cammalleri, I can see Feaster saying
"HAH! not so easy is it Burkie?"

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Barbecue

The ironic thing with Burke, is that he fired Feaster for not getting enough value out of the Iginla trade.

Now with Burke getting no value out of Cammalleri, I can see Feaster saying
"HAH! not so easy is it Burkie?"

It would be comparable, if there were about half a dozen other Iginlas on the trade market that day. And that's not even touching the player legacy.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Unless you consider Cammy's play, leadership, and ability to make the team competitive while sheltering the minutes of young players to be of value greater than that of a 3rd or 4th round pick.

None of which he will be providing for us. I'd gladly take a 3rd or 4th round pick for 20 games worth of everything that Mike Cammellari provides in a season where missing the playoffs is a foregone conclusion. If Cammy had another season under-contract then sure don't make a deal but he was a UFA. On a rebuilding team you either ink an extention before the deadline or you exchange that asset in the best deal to be had.

[theoforever]

The problem with Cammy was that when he came back from the concussion he looked confused and therefore ineffective. This leads me to believe he came back too early from the injury. Had he started scoring prior to the deadline we would have gotten something decent for him.

This doesn't change the fact that Burke misread the market, asked for too much then scrambled and run out of time. Part of the overvaluing Cammy must have been as direct result of trying to up Feaster returns for which in part he fired the man. Ohh, the ego of some people.