The Cammalleri non-trade

[Bourque's Twin]

The thing that most upsets me is that if we traded Cammy not too much sooner than the deadline, I think we could've got Drouin out of Tampa.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

The better question would be why didn't those playoff teams cough up a better offer? I think a second and a prospect would have been good for both sides and Cammi could have been a differerence maker in a number of those close series.

[Table 5]

It's not the end of the world by any means, but it is poor asset management at the end of the day. Burke gambled on there being a better return at the end of the process, and lost.

No matter what the excuses, we can't let assets like that walk away for nothing, even if the return wasn't as high as hoped. Quantity is a big part of "drafting well". Every once in a while that 3rd or 4th rounder gets you a player like Brodie or Gaudreau.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

double post

[ricardodw]

Cammalleri's play as a Flame right up to the point where it was pretty clear that he had zero reputation was not anything worth close to the 6 M he was getting paid.

I was double shocked that the Flames may have considered having him back and that the Devil's figured they could take a chance on him.



The Cammalleri situation clearly shows that it is much easier to coach a Byron, Bouma, Street ... guys on the edge of getting an NHL salary than Cammalleri, David Jones, Galiardi, Glencross who have a couple of million in the bank.

I hope the Flames are looking for a coach that will be able to motivate and provide a structure for team and personal success for the guys who are established NHLers.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I think we could have gotten Henrique and the #30 pick and got Lemieux for Cammy, but the trade would have to happen now for it to make any sense...

Devils weren't even allowed to trade their 30th pick. Would have been okay with Larsson and Gelinas coming back though.

[SofaProfessor]

I think that with the way Cammy lit it up after the deadline, it's easy to forget what a poor season he had. He missed some major time due to injury and when he returned, he didn't do much in the way of scoring which is all he's really good for (not counting locker room intangibles). If I'm a GM looking for some offence leading up to deadline day, Cammy looks like a huge risk. Is he still struggling with his injury? Looking at his numbers after returning could suggest he is. Am I going to give up a first or a second and a prospect for someone that might not even make it to playoffs?

If we're also to take Burke at his word, they were actively trying to re-sign Cammy by the sounds of it. So if he's someone you may want to keep, do you want to ship him away for whatever you can get or do you keep him and try to work out a deal? I honestly don't think the Flames missed out on much that would drastically change this team's future.

tl;dr This is one of those situations where hindsight is 20/20.

[mikephoen]

At the end of the year Fan session I was at a fan suggested the Flames should have taken anything they could get, even a 5th. Burke obviously scoffed at this suggestion, but Treliving added an interesting point.

Even though he wasn't here at the time, Treliving thought Burke did the right thing. He said that that teams do profiling of the other GMs in the league. He said his goes back six or seven years for each other manager in the league and it gives them an idea of who will fold at the end of a negotiation. He said it's very important not to get a reputation as someone who 'takes what they can get'.

Burke also blamed the messed up deadline on Gillis. He said that he was stringing so many teams along, telling them they were close on Kesler, that the every other deal was on the back burner. It was only at the very last minute that teams tried to move on to plan B, and at that point the Cammy was still behind Vanek, Gaborik and Moulson for most teams and time ran out.

[the2bears]

Wow... The Manchurian Account.

Anyway, not upset at all.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Even though he wasn't here at the time, Treliving thought Burke did the right thing.

Thus proving that hockey is like any other profession... it's rarely a bad idea to brownnose the boss.

[BigNumbers]

Holy crap - You've been a member here and posted less than ONCE A YEAR and then start this random thread and post twice! That's two years of average posting blown in a day....

My mind is blow.

[squiggs96]

It's a short term loss for a long term gain.

I view the non-trade similar to selling tickets. If you sell tickets to hockey games, and everyone knows you drop your prices as it gets closer to game time, people are going to wait until puck drop to buy tickets. If you stand your ground and keep your set prices, people are going to know this, and if they want to go to the game, they'll buy at your prices. Since they won't be dropping, you'll start getting some people buying earlier, and you won't have to scramble. Sure you'll have a couple unsold games, but the prices you'll get in the longterm will be higher, and more than make up for the one loss you took.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I view the non-trade similar to selling tickets. If you sell tickets to hockey games, and everyone knows you drop your prices as it gets closer to game time, people are going to wait until puck drop to buy tickets. If you stand your ground and keep your set prices, people are going to know this, and if they want to go to the game, they'll buy at your prices.

Except that Burke was only the interim GM... him holding firm and getting nothing did nothing to promote the Flames interests. He mucked it up, any post-hoc excuses he makes are just that... excuses.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

The thing that most upsets me is that if we traded Cammy not too much sooner than the deadline, I think we could've got Drouin out of Tampa.

No, no we couldn't.

Unless I'm missing a joke here?

[madmike]

Not upset at all. If other teams aren't offering fair value you don't make the deal.

In the future it will pay off because other teams will know you're not bluffing when you say you'll just keep the guy if you don't get what you want.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Except that Burke was only the interim GM... him holding firm and getting nothing did nothing to promote the Flames interests. He mucked it up, any post-hoc excuses he makes are just that... excuses.

He'll still be pulling strings behind the scenes. As long as he's in Calgary it should pay off.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by loosecannon3

How upset are you at management that we never traded Mike Cammalleri? He was by far our best tradeable player at the deadline. It didn't help that he got hot AFTER the deadline!

When you trade a player because you have to, you end up with Agostino and Hanowski.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

No, no we couldn't.

Unless I'm missing a joke here?

If I recall correctly, an infamous Rerun post stated that such a trade was possible. Much hilarity ensued.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

No, no we couldn't.

Unless I'm missing a joke here?

Lol it was a joke. A poster suggested we trade Cammy for Drouin, but it had to happen NOW (during the trade deadline) to make sense. It was laughable, hilarious, made my day.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Except that Burke was only the interim GM... him holding firm and getting nothing did nothing to promote the Flames interests. He mucked it up, any post-hoc excuses he makes are just that... excuses.

Correct, lots of excuses and that's about it. Burke, screw this up and then blamed other managers for not moving their asses. If Feaster got nothing he would have been roasted, if he got very little it would have been the same. Funny.