[News] Flames Recall Lane McDermid

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Dion

That's my beef. If we're going to use a enforcer at least find one that can play some hockey. McDermid can't play hockey and is merely a pylon.

Actually he's not that bad according to some dallas fans, good skater and has a decent shot.

2 goals and 4 points in 12 games with Dallas, porbably about the same skill set as Jackman but a more ruthless fighter.

[MacFlame]

Originally Posted by browna

Hopefully Hartley will loosen the reigns on McDermid and actually let a tough guy do what they're on the roster for, certainly for Saturday.

Some retribution is needed for the Oilers captain bullying a skilled Flames player into a fight last game. No in game response, even with #16 on the ice, to stand up for a teammate getting pushed around, which was certainly the lowlight of this season.

I know we've been through this before, but why is Stempniak classified as a "skilled player"? He's in the same category as Hudler or Baertchi?

This makes no sense to me. Stempniak is good along the boards and can lay the occasional solid hit, yet, for some reason, there seems to be this belief by some that he "needs to be protected". IMO, he needs to be able to protect himself..albeit, to a point.

When Stempniak was back in the game..why couldn't he be the one to go after the Oilers Captain?

I kind of get what you're saying, I just think that fans are way to easy on Stempniak when it comes to his lack of "abrasiveness". He can be better in this regard, IMO.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by 4oh3

He's defiantly going to Edmonton

to punch Ference since Mkratton is on IR

[T@T]

Originally Posted by MacFlame

I know we've been through this before, but why is Stempniak classified as a "skilled player"? He's in the same category as Hudler or Baertchi?

This makes no sense to me. Stempniak is good along the boards and can lay the occasional solid hit, yet, for some reason, there seems to be this belief by some that he "needs to be protected". IMO, he needs to be able to protect himself..albeit, to a point.

When Stempniak was back in the game..why couldn't he be the one to go after the Oilers Captain?

I kind of get what you're saying, I just think that fans are way to easy on Stempniak when it comes to his lack of "abrasiveness". He can be better in this regard, IMO.

Stempniak plays hard but my sister could beat him in a fight, as for Ference, I doubt he would want to drop em with McDermid anyway..he would know how tough the kid is.

[MacFlame]

Originally Posted by T@T

Stempniak plays hard but my sister could beat him in a fight, as for Ference, I doubt he would want to drop em with McDermid anyway..he would know how tough the kid is.

Exactly. This is why a guy like Stempniak is a target. He doesn't fight back..

Ference isn't going to fight McDermid/McGratton and there's really no one else on the Flames that could or would "come to the aid" of Stempniak. For Stempniak to be a better than average player, he needs to be able to defend himself and probably even be the aggressor at times.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by MacFlame

Exactly. This is why a guy like Stempniak is a target. He doesn't fight back..

Ference isn't going to fight McDermid/McGratton and there's really no one else on the Flames that could or would "come to the aid" of Stempniak. For Stempniak to be a better than average player, he needs to be able to defend himself and probably even be the aggressor at times.

The good thing is, from what I've heard Lane has a pretty short fuse when it comes to dirty plays or cheap shots vs his teammates. If Ference pulls something like fighting Stempniak again, MacDermid will jump him next shift.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Robo

Mcgratten is hurt

Irrelevant. Everyone knows that Hartley forces his enforcers to play hurt.

[FBI]

How big is your sister?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by MacFlame

Exactly. This is why a guy like Stempniak is a target. He doesn't fight back..

Ference isn't going to fight McDermid/McGratton and there's really no one else on the Flames that could or would "come to the aid" of Stempniak. For Stempniak to be a better than average player, he needs to be able to defend himself and probably even be the aggressor at times.

Well, Giordano is back - not a bad fighter. Not sure if he can handle Ference or not, as Ference can chuck them pretty well.

There are a few options available to Lane for 'retribution' on Ference. He can basically just start chucking them just like Ference did on Stempniak. He can just go after another guy - heck, even Smyth, and then point at Ference and tell him that this was on him. Stuff like that.

Or he can just do what he does really well apparently, and that is just ram guys hard. A few Dallas posters on HF were kind of upset losing MacDermid. They don't feel he has offence (though some thought he could improve there), but that he was their most consistent 'missile' or something on the ice. He constantly hits guys and does so on every shift. I just hope he lines up Ference for a couple nice ones. Don't want to see Ference injured (nor anyone for that matter), but there definitely should be some retribution coming Edmonton's way - and not just an enforcer/enforcer fight. MacDermid is a light-heavyweight that supposedly skates hard, hits hard and is good at dropping the mitts.

Hartley is a coach that is known for believing in that side of the game, so I would expect retribution in some way, though how it plays out is anyone's guess. You don't have to go after Ference. Ference targeted one of the more skilled guys who can't fight - who's to say that the Flames won't do the same now? They did that all too often in the old BoA.

As much as I hate what Ference did (and I actually really liked him right up until that point - even though he signed with the Oilers), that was the first warning shot for the BoA now, I think.

edit: Damn, only 1 hour of sleep last night, and I can barely spell.

[browna]

Originally Posted by MacFlame

Exactly. This is why a guy like Stempniak is a target. He doesn't fight back..

Ference isn't going to fight McDermid/McGratton and there's really no one else on the Flames that could or would "come to the aid" of Stempniak. For Stempniak to be a better than average player, he needs to be able to defend himself and probably even be the aggressor at times.

A guy that fights 3 times prior to this in his career is not a fighter, that's my point. When a guy like that gets targetted and bullied into fighting, that's what the deterrence of a guy like McGrattan on the roster is supposed to take care of...if not preventing it, making sure that a corresponding message is sent to the Oilers later that game. Otherwise, it's a message that the rest of your team is fair game because no one's going to step up and defend teammates.

It's happened time and again in any given NHL game, and the Flames looked weak in not responding to having a non-fighter teammate forced to fight for hitting a guy.

McDermid Saturday (or McGrattan later in that game) doesn't have to go after Ference specifically, or even fight, but a clean healthy heavy hit on Nugent Hopkins or even a guy like Gagner should return the message that if you want to push around our non-fighters, we'll do similar to yours.

[MacFlame]

Originally Posted by browna

McDermid Saturday (or McGrattan later in that game) doesn't have to go after Ference specifically, or even fight, but a clean healthy heavy hit on Nugent Hopkins or even a guy like Gagner should return the message that if you want to push around our non-fighters, we'll do similar to yours.

Now this I can agree with.

[PeteMoss]

Anyone expecting McGratton Jr is going to be disappointed. He's not a heavyweight ... he's a Prust type of guy. No idea why anyone would be raging before even seeing the guy play. He's not bad.

[lifetimefan]

Originally Posted by FBI

How big is your sister?

Not big. Just mean.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Anyone expecting McGratton Jr is going to be disappointed. He's not a heavyweight ... he's a Prust type of guy. No idea why anyone would be raging before even seeing the guy play. He's not bad.

Hmmmm 6'3 205lbs that makes him light heavy by UFC standards. Good enough to punch Ference imo.

[868904]

Macdermid won't be fighting Ference because he'll have his hands full with Gazdic.

The time for retribution and standing up for your teammates was last game. It'd be stupid to do it now.

[Bourque's Twin]

The lineup will be interesting. McGratton is out, McDermid takes his place. Colbourne has been stepping up with Monohan injured. I hope Bartschi isn't scratched but at least we'll have Camallerri with skill on the LW.

I'm also excited to see Jerome back in town..

[Samiz]

Hope MeckGrahten gets better soon

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Lane cleared waivers on November 22nd.

He can be sent down again without needing to go back on them if he plays less then 10 games prior to December 22nd.

It's 30 days cumulative on an NHL roster, so the time he was in the AHL doesn't count.

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Lane cleared waivers on November 22nd.

He can be sent down again without needing to go back on them if he plays less then 10 games prior to December 22nd.

On December 22nd, he turns into a pumpkin again and has to clear waivers again to go back down.

[Yoho]

I wish we still had Akim Aliu to bring up, for situations like this.