Calgary Gangster arrested in Vancouver

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The rumor is FOB affiliates with the hells angels and acts as their drug conduit

HA plays them all like puppets.

HA were dealing with both the Independent Soldiers AND UN gang.

[GGG]

The drug that causes the most social harm right now is alcohol. Making it illegal didnt work.

What we know now is the current war on drugs doesnt work.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by GGG

The drug that causes the most social harm right now is alcohol. Making it illegal didnt work.

What we know now is the current war on drugs doesnt work.

I disagree. Opiates are the worst imo

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I disagree. Opiates are the worst imo

I think opiates are the worst, but alcohol is just so much more prevalent.

Lower damage yield over a much larger surface.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think opiates are the worst, but alcohol is just so much more prevalent.

Lower damage yield over a much larger surface.

Don't forget the amount of drunk driving deaths per year, as well as violence initiated by intoxication.

[Mr.Coffee]

How do you guys know all these ins and outs of all these gangs?

So weird. I feel like such a naive little sheep reading this thread.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

How do you guys know all these ins and outs of all these gangs?

So weird. I feel like such a naive little sheep reading this thread.

I remember talking to a couple of plainclothes police officers a few years ago that came to my work and I asked about gangs. I was surprised that he said that Calgary actually has representatives from lots of gangs like the bloods and crips. But he said the kicker (and the reason the public never really hears about it) is that most of them are "just a few pussies" that are trying to "represent" bigger, well known gangs.

So he explained that the idea of knowing there's twelve "crips" in Calgary may seem worrisome, until you find out that they're just twelve posers that act the part but would never shoot or kill anyone, and are no more dangerous than those lame community gangs you hear about, like the Deer Run Boys.

[jeffman]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

How do you guys know all these ins and outs of all these gangs?

So weird. I feel like such a naive little sheep reading this thread.

Yes someone should make a Calgary gang reader for those of us that are not as street savvy

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

How do you guys know all these ins and outs of all these gangs?

So weird. I feel like such a naive little sheep reading this thread.

I grew up knowing friends of friends that went on to become what you see in the news around town. Loose connections / six degrees of separation thing, but wasn't too far away from it all. You just hear about things down the grapevine.

The saddest part is that, 12 years after high school finished, some of these same guys are worse off than before. Not surprising though.

[troutman]

http://www.gangstersout.com/
http://gangstersout.blogspot.ca/

[blankall]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://www.gangstersout.com/
http://gangstersout.blogspot.ca/

I was always told that the flare up in violence in the lower mainland was the result of multiple gangs trying to fill a power vacuum left after the Hell's Angels were cracked down upon. This blog states that the Hell's Angels were manipulating and supplying both sides. Intersting if true.

[RubberDuck]

Originally Posted by blankall

The governmetn heavily controls how much of these drugs are given to each individual. Doctors go to great lengths (or at least they should) to avoid giving opiods to drug seekers. The government is not freely distributing these drugs in any way. They are being delivered in controled amounts and only under certain circumstances.

Toally disagree. The government has no control and that is the problem. There is no way for a doctor to know that a guy just left another walk in down the street with a perscription.

Speaking from experience as I have has two people in my life succumb to opiate addiction. Both addictions started with lazy doctors that would rather write a perscription than try to fix anything and continued with the assistance of various unknowing or unscrupulous doctors.

Not trying to slag on doctors as most of them are great at what they do but there are a few out there that just want to move as many people through their practice as possible and it's quick and easy just to write a perscription.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by blankall

I was always told that the flare up in violence in the lower mainland was the result of multiple gangs trying to fill a power vacuum left after the Hell's Angels were cracked down upon. This blog states that the Hell's Angels were manipulating and supplying both sides. Intersting if true.

HA is the only supplier of drugs in the province. Everything goes through them. Triads may control the import aspect, but once it's in the province it all goes through the HA.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

HA is the only supplier of drugs in the province. Everything goes through them. Triads may control the import aspect, but once it's in the province it all goes through the HA.

Uh, no they don't. They may control a big portion of the drugs coming in, but they don't control it all. Not even close.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

HA is the only supplier of drugs in the province. Everything goes through them. Triads may control the import aspect, but once it's in the province it all goes through the HA.

I don't think that's quite accurate. I know they control a sizable percentage, but they are not exclusive. However there is a informal truce between the HA and other suppliers to split the pie.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't think that's quite accurate. I know they control a sizable percentage, but they are not exclusive. However there is a informal truce between the HA and other suppliers to split the pie.

From what I've seen anyways (somewhat limited), within the city of Vancouver, there are all sorts of players: Vietnamese, Indo, triads, latin gangs, Italian mafia, random East Van/Abbotsford kids, etc...Many of these groups either create (meth/weed) or import and sell their own drugs.

As you get further out of the city and into small towns, the HA seem to play a bigger role.

Within the city, the HA have had notable feuds with ganes like the Independent Soldiers.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by blankall

From what I've seen anyways (somewhat limited), within the city of Vancouver, there are all sorts of players: Vietnamese, Indo, triads, latin gangs, Italian mafia, random East Van/Abbotsford kids, etc...Many of these groups either create (meth/weed) or import and sell their own drugs.

As you get further out of the city and into small towns, the HA seem to play a bigger role.

Within the city, the HA have had notable feuds with ganes like the Independent Soldiers.

Misinformed.

IS is a puppet organization for the HA. When Jon Bacon was shot, he was driving with a full patch HA member, a chapter president's daughter and an independent soldier. Red Scorpions, Hells Angels and Independent Soldiers all in the same car.

You don't buy and sell significant quantities of drugs in this province without buying the drugs or territory from the HA and paying them juice.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Misinformed.

IS is a puppet organization for the HA. When Jon Bacon was shot, he was driving with a full patch HA member, a chapter president's daughter and an independent soldier. Red Scorpions, Hells Angels and Independent Soldiers all in the same car.

You don't buy and sell significant quantities of drugs in this province without buying the drugs or territory from the HA and paying them juice.

The IS and HA are good buds now. That wasn't always the case.

[rubecube]

The logic produced by the anti-legalization crowd, which basically comes down to "well it won't remove every problem, so we shouldn't do it" is assinine. The goal of government and society should be to reduce harm and increase quality of life in as many areas as possible. If legalizing cocaine and heroin results in a 30% decrease in gang violence, and a 20% decrease in incarceration rates, how is that a bad thing?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The logic produced by the anti-legalization crowd, which basically comes down to "well it won't remove every problem, so we shouldn't do it" is assinine. The goal of government and society should be to reduce harm and increase quality of life in as many areas as possible. If legalizing cocaine and heroin results in a 30% decrease in gang violence, and a 20% decrease in incarceration rates, how is that a bad thing?

Again I don't put a lot of bank into those figures. They're usually based on European markets where they don't have the same gang problems as North American's have.

I don't believe that gangs will just throw up their hands and go away under a legalization market. They will either find or create other products. Or they will put weight on the harvest and manufacturing side of the drug business to bring it down. Or they'll bring in cheap synthetic versions of the drugs that will appeal to the addicts looking to stay out of the public eye and looking for cheap highs.

On top of that there is nothing out there that suggests that medical crack, or Crystal Meth or other hideous drugs that are less harmful to the addict.

I believe that it will also create a major cash market based around prescription fraud.

Legalizing it won't make the problem go away, it will create other worse problems the biggest of which is gangs fighting for a declining market by creating a new market.

Dope is fairly harmless, even though I don't like it in the hands of kids and teenagers, legalize that put it in stores, tax the crap out of it, make it illegal to grow and sell your own unless your a registered business paying taxes. Great, fine.

But a utopian model where people can go and get crack and crystal and heroin from doctors for example is horrible. A governments shouldn't be enabling those type of addictions. B No doctor out there is going to prescribe Crystal Meth or Heroin or Crack to anyone, it goes against their oath.