[Rumour] Lawless: Burmistrov wants out of Winnipeg

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Cammalleri doesn't have a full NMC either.

I think he has a limited NTC. Not hard to imagine the Peg on the list.

It really would not matter because in order to trade Cammi the flames would have to eat $2 million of his salary. Judging Feasters comments on the JBO trade, it does not sound like they want to eat salary.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Cammalleri doesn't have a full NMC either.

Huh, you're right... I always thought he did. My bad.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I doubt they would want Cammy's price tag... I also doubt that Cammy would waive his no trade clause for Winnipeg (I mean why would someone willfully move to Winnipeg?). Probably have better luck moving Tanguay there, he costs less and doesn't have a full NMC.

Cammalleri is his last year of his outrageously overpaid contract. He is tradeable at the deadline.


Tanguay is 33 years old and has 3 years left at 3.5M Based on his current play he has negative trade value.

People are guessing that Iginla signs next year for 4-5M. That is not a lot more than Tanguay's 3.5M. what team would possibly want Tanguay at anything more than 1M / year? That is what he will get as a UFA if the Flames are forced to buy him out.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Cammalleri is his last year of his outrageously overpaid contract. He is tradeable at the deadline.

Burmistrov wants out now not at the deadline.

And I think you're drastically undervaluing Alex Tanguay.

[ricardodw]

Burmistrov and his agent are probably interested in seeing how big the offer sheet is from the Feaster.

ROR is geting paid 6.5M this year and will need an offer of over 7M or he becomes a UFA.


Feaster is going to have a spot in the agents HOF.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by handgroen

This is exactly the type of trade that feaster has been hinting at in interviews, i really wouldn't be surprised if you see something like:
Cammy + pitt 1st for burmistrov and Jets 2nd

Originally Posted by moon

I know the Winnipeg hockey staff are morons but I don't think they are dumb enough to make that deal.

If anyone is giving up too much in that deal, it's the Flames IMHO.

[JiriHrdina]

This is a tricky one. I haven’t watched the Jets enough to really know if the Flames should target this guy or not, but he is the type of guy that they SHOULD be looking closely at. These are the type of young players that become available. The guys without warts or question marks don’t get traded. So what you have to do assess how much of his struggles has been situational, or because of lack of opportunity v. a lack of skills or attitude problem. Is he coachable? Does he still have the skill set that translates to being an impact forward?

Let’s assume the Flames could get him for the STL pick – and let’s say that pick is 20-22.

Since 2009 here are the guys picked in those spots.
2009: Josefson, Moore, Schroeder (I take Burmistov over all of them)
2010: Bennet, Sheahan, Tinordi (I take Brumistov over anyone but Bennett, TInordi is debatable too)
2011: Murphy, Noesen, Biggs (Burm over all of them)
2012: Laughton, Jankowski, Maata (Burm overall of them)

So for the most part you aren’t going to get a guy with his upside at 20-22.



Again this is all on the assumption you can get him with that pick. Frankly I wouldn't pay more than that.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

This is a tricky one. I haven’t watched the Jets enough to really know if the Flames should target this guy or not, but he is the type of guy that they SHOULD be looking closely at. These are the type of young guys that become available. The guys without warts or question marks don’t graded. So what you have to do assess how much of his struggles has been situational, or because of lack of opportunity v. a lack of skills or attitude problem. Is he coachable? Does he still have the skill set that translates to being an impact forward?

Let’s assume the Flames could get him for the STL pick – and let’s say that pick is 20-22.

Since 2009 here are the guys picked in those spots.
2009: Josefson, Moore, Schroeder (I take Burmistov over all of them)
2010: Bennet, Sheahan, Tinordi (I take Brumistov over anyone but Bennett, TInordi is debatable too)
2011: Murphy, Noesen, Biggs (Burm over all of them)
2012: Laughton, Jankowski, Maata (Burm overall of them)

So for the most part you aren’t going to get a guy with his upside at 20-22.



Again this is all on the assumption you can get him with that pick. Frankly I wouldn't pay more than that.

What if Horvat, Domi, Wennberg, or Shinkaruk are available at the Blues pick? I'll take any of them over Burmistrov without hesitation. I would trade maybe the Penguins pick but not the Blues pick as I don't see the upside in this guy that some of you seem to think he has.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If anyone is giving up too much in that deal, it's the Flames IMHO.

I don't see an overpaid Cammalieri as worth that much and certainly the difference between him and Burmistrov isn't worth the Jets moving up about 12 spots in the draft.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by moon

I don't see an overpaid Cammalieri as worth that much and certainly the difference between him and Burmistrov isn't worth the Jets moving up about 12 spots in the draft.

I think Cammalleri is worth a huge amount at the deadline to a playoff team. Guy has 32 pts in 32 playoff games.
I'd offer a huge overpayment for a guy like that who's a proven playoff beast if I was a contending team.

[moon]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

I think Cammalleri is worth a huge amount at the deadline to a playoff team. Guy has 32 pts in 32 playoff games.
I'd offer a huge overpayment for a guy like that who's a proven playoff beast if I was a contending team.

I don't think he will be worth a huge amount but he would be more valuable then when pretty much all of his money is paid and the cap hit is off at the end of the year.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by moon

I don't see an overpaid Cammalieri as worth that much and certainly the difference between him and Burmistrov isn't worth the Jets moving up about 12 spots in the draft.

Well, maybe it's just me but IMO Cammalleri is worth more than Burmistrov, and I wouldn't deal him for Burmistrov straight up, never mind adding in a 25th-30th pick for the 43rd overall pick.

Burmistrov may only be 21, but he hasn't taken any leaps forward in his three NHL seasons, and in fact he regressed this season. To me he's worth maybe roughly what Turris was worth when he was dealt for a 2nd round pick and an OK (but questionable) prospect in Runblad.

Is Cammalleri at least worth that much in a trade? I would like to think so.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What if Horvat, Domi, Wennberg, or Shinkaruk are available at the Blues pick? I'll take any of them over Burmistrov without hesitation. I would trade maybe the Penguins pick but not the Blues pick as I don't see the upside in this guy that some of you seem to think he has.

If a deal is to be made here, I'd do it on the draft floor... That is he time where picks have their max value...plus, if Feaster waits righ up til the pick is due, he'll know exactly what players are available, so less guess work.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

This is a tricky one. I haven’t watched the Jets enough to really know if the Flames should target this guy or not, but he is the type of guy that they SHOULD be looking closely at. These are the type of young players that become available. The guys without warts or question marks don’t get traded. So what you have to do assess how much of his struggles has been situational, or because of lack of opportunity v. a lack of skills or attitude problem. Is he coachable? Does he still have the skill set that translates to being an impact forward?

Let’s assume the Flames could get him for the STL pick – and let’s say that pick is 20-22.

Since 2009 here are the guys picked in those spots.
2009: Josefson, Moore, Schroeder (I take Burmistov over all of them)
2010: Bennet, Sheahan, Tinordi (I take Brumistov over anyone but Bennett, TInordi is debatable too)
2011: Murphy, Noesen, Biggs (Burm over all of them)
2012: Laughton, Jankowski, Maata (Burm overall of them)

So for the most part you aren’t going to get a guy with his upside at 20-22.



Again this is all on the assumption you can get him with that pick. Frankly I wouldn't pay more than that.

Interesting that you didn't include 2008, which included: Del Zotto and Eberle

(not to mention Pacioretty in 07 or Giroux in 06)

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Interesting that you didn't include 2008, which included: Del Zotto and Eberle

(not to mention Pacioretty in 07 or Giroux in 06)

The 22nd pick is usually better than the #6 pick


The 21st picks suck!

2008 #22 pick Jordan Ebrle #6 Nikita Filatov 21st pick Anton Gustafsson
2007 #22 pick Max Pacioretty #6 Sam Gagner #21 Riley Nash
2006 #22 pick Claude Giroux #6 Derrek Brassard #21 Bob Sanguinetti


so we could trade the #6 overall for Brumistrov??? and hang on or trade down to #22?


2008 is basically the most recent draft that players can be evaluated as they are now 22.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Interesting that you didn't include 2008, which included: Del Zotto and Eberle

(not to mention Pacioretty in 07 or Giroux in 06)

Honestly I just didn't go back that far. Wasn't trying to "cook the numbers" at all.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Love this quote from his draft year.

“I don’t care how dynamic you are, he’s 146 pounds (listed at 159) and he’s built like Gilligan. But I love his compete level.”

I think he has grown, but size is already an issue in Calgary's case. Still think he's the kind of player the flames should try and get though.