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Jacks · 05-22-2013, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ricardodw

Having Jokinen on the team impact him negatively in the same way that it messed up Stajan.

What?

ricardodw · 05-22-2013, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacks

What?

Jokinen is a big good skating centre who has in the past scored 90 points.... He is very well paid.

When he was with the Flames Stajan got bumped down to the 3rd and 4th lines ... same thing happened to Burmistov in Winnipeg.

MrMastodonFarm · 05-22-2013, 10:53 PM

Stajan playing like crap had nothing to do with it?

nik- · 05-22-2013, 10:55 PM

To be fair, as soon as Stajan was elevated in the lineup at the end of 2011/2012 he started playing better ... almost a 1/4 of the season.

MrMastodonFarm · 05-22-2013, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

To be fair, as soon as Stajan was elevated in the lineup at the end of 2011/2012 he started playing better ... almost a 1/4 of the season.

Or he got more ice time when he started playing better?

nik- · 05-22-2013, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Or he got more ice time when he started playing better?

He wasn't doing anything to justify an increase on the lower lines ... so I think he rose to the occasion when given more ice time.

dammage79 · 05-22-2013, 10:58 PM

Ricardo has a point. Stajan was playing well when he was given the time in the top six when Brent and Olli were here. Stajan having the kind of season we all were expecting him to play this year was a testament to that. Hartley used Stajan properly, Brent did not. Not trying to start a debate here it's just what I saw as well.

Super-Rye · 05-22-2013, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

He wasn't doing anything to justify an increase on the lower lines ... so I think he rose to the occasion when given more ice time.

I disagree. For the longest time Stajan floated and didn't do anything but turn the puck over while trying to avoid hits. From what I saw the turn around came when he started playing with Kostopolous and Jackman. All of a sudden he started banging down low and going to the net, then when injuries hit and he got his chance he kept up his solid play. Stajan's issues were between the ears and seemed to settle in when he got run over by Marc Staal.

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Ricardo has a point.

No he doesn't. The man has insane ramblings.

Back on topic. If Burmistrov is available I wouldn't be opposed to trading one of the late firsts for him. A young, two-way center with top 6 upside? Teams can't have too many of those.

jeffman · 05-23-2013, 12:13 AM

Just say no to diva Russians

BACKCHECK!!! · 05-23-2013, 03:59 AM

Lets imagine Burmistrov want back into the draft this year. As he is now, a 21 year old proven NHLer, taking regular shifts in the middle 6.

Do you think he *drops* from where he was originally picked? Do you think he falls out of the 1st round completely?

I think that if a 21 year old NHL centre, who already has proven middle-6 ability at the NHL level, was available at the bottom of the 1st round, you'd be clinically INSANE not to take him.

So if the opportunity is there to literally use that same pick to get this same player, why would it not be worth it?

Poe969 · 05-23-2013, 05:55 AM

I LOVE the idea of trading canny for him. If we can get him, we should

Bonded · 05-23-2013, 07:42 AM

I would definitely trade a late first for him. He is better than what you get with a 28/29/30.

Cammy straight across would be great.

OldDutch · 05-23-2013, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

Wow I'm surprised it took the second page for this crap.

I don't see why Winnipeg can't be something like Green Bay. Who in their right mind would want to play in Green Bay. Oh that's right winning and tradition changes everything. Hopefully the Jets draft smart and get a good team with wins, people will come sign when that happens.

handgroen · 05-23-2013, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

I would definitely trade a late first for him. He is better than what you get with a 28/29/30.

Cammy straight across would be great.

This is exactly the type of trade that feaster has been hinting at in interviews, i really wouldn't be surprised if you see something like:
Cammy + pitt 1st for burmistrov and Jets 2nd

moon · 05-23-2013, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by handgroen

This is exactly the type of trade that feaster has been hinting at in interviews, i really wouldn't be surprised if you see something like:
Cammy + pitt 1st for burmistrov and Jets 2nd

I know the Winnipeg hockey staff are morons but I don't think they are dumb enough to make that deal.

ricardodw · 05-23-2013, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

I know the Winnipeg hockey staff are morons but I don't think they are dumb enough to make that deal.

Cammalleri will be very tradeable at the deadline. Cammalleri and the Pits 1st is like 2 late first round picks for Burmistrov.

Maybe Shieffle, Kane and Cammalleri would give them a solid 2nd line and a playoff spot.

Hulder and Tanguay are harder to move with 3 years left on their contract.

Winnipeg signed Jokinen for 2 years a 4.5. Worst move since moving to Winnipeg. They should be shy with taking on players with the Flames culture.

handgroen · 05-23-2013, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

I know the Winnipeg hockey staff are morons but I don't think they are dumb enough to make that deal.

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Cammalleri will be very tradeable at the deadline.

I agree Cammy is worth more at the deadline but with the way his interview with bob mccowan sounded, i wouldn't be surprised if Cammy wants out before the season even starts. He just sounded very blah when asked about the flames and their future plans, and i don't think he'll be a part of them.

ricardodw · 05-23-2013, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Stajan playing like crap had nothing to do with it?

So is Baertschi done as a player? He played like crap on the 4th line. Using your Stajan comparison he showed nothing there to earn a chance to advance in the lineup. From his play on the 4th line he would not be as anywhere as good as Cracknell.

Baertschi got buried by big contracts and reputations taking the top-6/9 spots on the Flames and Baertschi put up numbers that would suggests a limited NHL/AHL career.

Answer.... No Baertschi is going to have a great career. He had a wasted year by the Flames stock piling small talented guys that Hartley had to play ahead of him. Hudler, Cammalleri, Tanguay and Cervenka.

Parallex · 05-23-2013, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

I know the Winnipeg hockey staff are morons but I don't think they are dumb enough to make that deal.

I doubt they would want Cammy's price tag... I also doubt that Cammy would waive his no trade clause for Winnipeg (I mean why would someone willfully move to Winnipeg?). Probably have better luck moving Tanguay there, he costs less and doesn't have a full NMC.

Roof-Daddy · 05-23-2013, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Parallex

I doubt they would want Cammy's price tag... I also doubt that Cammy would waive his no trade clause for Winnipeg (I mean why would someone willfully move to Winnipeg?). Probably have better luck moving Tanguay there, he costs less and doesn't have a full NMC.

Cammalleri doesn't have a full NMC either.