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The Yen Man · 03-12-2013, 10:19 AM

I agree though that the move only works one time. Now that everyone's seen it, it won't work anymore. He can't ever get the shot off, so it has to go along ice level. A simple poke check, or just stretching your legs out will render that move pretty ineffective.

Enoch Root · 03-12-2013, 10:23 AM

I am all for creativity. Not so much gimmickry, however.

Also, I am shocked at how many people think this was creative - it was a standard move in pick-up hockey when I was a kid. And it rarely worked on 10 year old goalies.

GrrlGoalie33 · 03-12-2013, 10:23 AM

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Yeah, I've seen something like this before.

In Ringette.

Naw, not quite. At least in Ringette we have the ability to still go forehand, backhand and raise the ring!

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 03-12-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am all for creativity. Not so much gimmickry, however.

Also, I am shocked at how many people think this was creative - it was a standard move in pick-up hockey when I was a kid. And it rarely worked on 10 year old goalies.

The shootout in it's self is inheritly gimmicky, therefore complaining about gimmickry during a shootout seems silly.

undercoverbrother · 03-12-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am all for creativity. Not so much gimmickry, however.

Also, I am shocked at how many people think this was creative - it was a standard move in pick-up hockey when I was a kid. And it rarely worked on 10 year old goalies.

Creativity, in that, he is thinkiong outside the box. From a coaching viewpoint that is a good thing in a player. It shows confidence. Players should be encourgaed to try new things and push the envelope.

moon · 03-12-2013, 10:30 AM

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Had it worked there would have been no complaint. I have no problem with guys trying different things on the shoot out. You opinion is it isn't inventive of creative, but how many times have you seen it done before.
It didn't work, fine. You should only be getting up in arms if it is his go to move everytime, and everytime the result is the same. If the player learns that the move didn't/doesn't work he won't do it again. Creativity is needed in the game.

Just because someone hasn't done it doesn't make it creative (and apparently someone has done it before). If Iginla takes a slapshot from center it hasn't been done before and it isn't creative. If the goalie flubs the puck not sure it deserves much praise for being inventive.

The issue I have with this is that it limits what you can do and is easy as hell to save. He is relying on the goalie sucking not his move being good enough to beat him.

undercoverbrother · 03-12-2013, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

Just because someone hasn't done it doesn't make it creative (and apparently someone has done it before). If Iginla takes a slapshot from center it hasn't been done before and it isn't creative. If the goalie flubs the puck not sure it deserves much praise for being inventive.

The issue I have with this is that it limits what you can do and is easy as hell to save. He is relying on the goalie sucking not his move being good enough to beat him.

But in a broader term, you can use it as a coaching oppurtinity to discuss creativity and discuss what is good/bad creativity.

St. Pats · 03-12-2013, 10:52 AM

Why not? The shootout is WWE like in that it's not sport but just entertainment. Heck why not flip it up and try batting it in the net. Or juggle it soccer style and then kick it to the stick and smack it in? Maybe they could allow two players and one could go behind the net and flick it over the goalie's head to the other who could whack it out of the air.

So many possibilities. It's a joke so might as well have fun with it.

t0rrent98 · 03-12-2013, 10:56 AM

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It was a disgrace to the game.

Next, players will lift it onto their stick and carry it in like lacrosse (as someone described it) and just ram it into the net like a jouster.

Then what?

The game is hockey. If you want to do shat like this, stick to video games

Rob shremp and john traveres have done the lacrosse move, I believe bobby Ryan has done it as well a couple of years ago in the all star game.

I like how creative some of these guys are in shootouts, if I like something I see in the shootout, I tend to try and see if I can do it as well.

gargamel · 03-12-2013, 10:57 AM

Complaining about this would be like complaining about an NBA player doing a trick shot if they determined the winner of tie games with a game of H.O.R.S.E.

The problem isn't this move. The problem is following up 65 minutes of hockey with a skills competition to determine the winner.

squiggs96 · 03-12-2013, 11:06 AM

I don't get the outrage over this. It's not much different than a spinarama, which is widely accepted. The puck was on the ice and his stick was on the puck. Unless there is a rule that says your stick has to be on the side of the puck, the move is fine.

Goalies stop more pucks on shootouts than shooters get past them. This is being a little creative, and like most moves, works some of the time.

moon · 03-12-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by St. Pats

Why not? The shootout is WWE like in that it's not sport but just entertainment. Heck why not flip it up and try batting it in the net. Or juggle it soccer style and then kick it to the stick and smack it in? Maybe they could allow two players and one could go behind the net and flick it over the goalie's head to the other who could whack it out of the air.

So many possibilities. It's a joke so might as well have fun with it.

Considering it can determine if you make or miss the play-offs I am not quite sure it is the joke you make it out to be.

I am sure the Flyers wouldn't have been to happy if guys had kicked pucks to their sticks a few years ago when they made the play-offs (and then finals) by one point.

St. Pats · 03-12-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

Considering it can determine if you make or miss the play-offs I am not quite sure it is the joke you make it out to be.

I am sure the Flyers wouldn't have been to happy if guys had kicked pucks to their sticks a few years ago when they made the play-offs (and then finals) by one point.

Yep the NHL awards points for entertainment as opposed to playing a game of hockey. That's a joke alright and I don't hear the Flyers or anybody else complaining about it. So it appears they could care less.

AR_Six · 03-12-2013, 12:24 PM

Phil Bourque is on MvsW talking about when he invented this move. Pretty cool.

dammage79 · 03-12-2013, 02:35 PM

I didn't like it but I get that it gets all the kids excited. So all in all I don't really care that he did the move. Just looks real tacky.

awildermode · 03-12-2013, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by t0rrent98

Rob shremp and john traveres have done the lacrosse move, I believe bobby Ryan has done it as well a couple of years ago in the all star game.

I like how creative some of these guys are in shootouts, if I like something I see in the shootout, I tend to try and see if I can do it as well.

the problem with Schremp's move is, the stick is in contact with the puck above the cross bar. that should make it a high-stick, whistled down, no goal. i agree that Schremp's move is creative, it works in an All-Star situation, where rules like that are not enforced...much like sunglasses and straw hats.

ricosuave · 03-12-2013, 07:36 PM

nothing wrong with it at all

icarus · 03-13-2013, 03:06 AM

I'm sure the late Sens coach Roger Neilson would have appreciated it--the rules don't forbid it so why not try it?

JeanLucPicard · 03-13-2013, 03:51 AM

Nice idea but I think you're very limited in what you can do with it. You don't have a lot of freedom with that approach and goalies can probably figure out all the possible moves and make this trick virtually useless if tried too many times. With that said though, its always great to see new things being tried (even though this wasn't really that original) - don't let the old fashioned restrict you from trying new things.

FlamesAddiction · 03-13-2013, 04:22 AM

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Nice idea but I think you're very limited in what you can do with it. You don't have a lot of freedom with that approach and goalies can probably figure out all the possible moves and make this trick virtually useless if tried too many times. With that said though, its always great to see new things being tried (even though this wasn't really that original) - don't let the old fashioned restrict you from trying new things.

Not to mention that you are also taking away 95% of the net as it would be very difficult to lift the puck. All a goalie has to do it either poke check or cover the bottom of the net. The extra bit of puck handling and surprise factor doesn't make up for it, especially if it became used more often.

Besides looking neat, this move has very little practical application.