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you got PHANUEFED · 03-09-2013, 07:25 AM

Need new coach = Ruff
Goalie = Luongo, Hiller
Hard hitting D-man = Sarich lol.

JohnnyB · 03-09-2013, 07:31 AM

They are doing a terrible job of development. They should have focused on building the supporting cast for the young players rather than expecting them to turn it all around and take the lead. Qho are they learning from but a bunch of perennial losers.

Street Pharmacist · 03-09-2013, 07:56 AM

It will be interesting to see what happens if they don't improve by next year. RNH will likely be looking at a raise at least close to Eberle/Hall. That could be 18M for 3 forwards in a very bad team. The next year comes and Yakupov and Schultz come looking. Even next year, having 17M locked up to Hall, Eberle and (hehe) Horcoff means one quarter of your salary cap on three players that aren't quite helping you do anything.
Ganger is a UFA (RFA?) after this season and is putting up the best numbers on the team, so what does he get?
This is the trouble in my mind of starting the kids so early. It's not just the RFA years you lose, but their first RFA contract will reflect their NHL experience. If they don't take you somewhere, it's now wasted.

Badgers Nose · 03-09-2013, 08:46 AM

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Enoch Root · 03-09-2013, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

It will be interesting to see what happens if they don't improve by next year. RNH will likely be looking at a raise at least close to Eberle/Hall. That could be 18M for 3 forwards in a very bad team. The next year comes and Yakupov and Schultz come looking. Even next year, having 17M locked up to Hall, Eberle and (hehe) Horcoff means one quarter of your salary cap on three players that aren't quite helping you do anything.
Ganger is a UFA (RFA?) after this season and is putting up the best numbers on the team, so what does he get?
This is the trouble in my mind of starting the kids so early. It's not just the RFA years you lose, but their first RFA contract will reflect their NHL experience. If they don't take you somewhere, it's now wasted.

Schultz has a 2 year ELC - he comes due next year with RNH.

Gagner is an RFA

From the (current) big 5, there are 14 years of ELCs. After this year, 10 of them will be burned and after next season, 13 are done. Way to take advantage TambiLowe!

MrMastodonFarm · 03-09-2013, 08:58 AM

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Robbob · 03-09-2013, 09:14 AM

the brain trust gave just completely mismanaged this situation. If you look at any of the other team rebuilds they like to compare themselves to, all of the other teams made due with their 2nd and 3rd picks. The oilers spent a 3rd on Zach storitini. I know some do the hindsight with the first overall picks (hall or Seguin) but it would be interesting to see the next few players drafted after the oilers in the last 5 years in those rounds.

bubbsy · 03-09-2013, 10:22 AM

oilers have some fairly clear issues.

They have glaring gaps/holes in their roster, and a management group that is too stubborn/dumb to take the necessary steps to fill those.

Reasons why the oilers rebuild is a failure:
1) Team lacks size/grit in the top 6 (eberle, hopkins, gagner, hemsky, yakupov). heck even fragile hall, that just isn't a heavy group to play against. If you keep the game along the boards, that isn't a group to create much offense.

2) Dmen that know how to play defense (don't think there's much to elaborate here).

3) over-valuing current roster pieces instead of trading them for established players who can help the team win. Hemsky, khabiboulin, gagner (?), smyth, horcoff, the list likely goes on, but i'm sure these could have/still be used in order to shore up their top 4 Dmen. not sure why hemsky hasn't been traded for 3 years now.

4) Crap drafting. Everyone wants to point out the flames craptastic draft record, but when you look at the oilers, have they got anything valuable on the roster outside of their 1st round picks??? pens got letang/talbot/etc, chi got bolland/etc, just off the top of my head.

How Klowe has a job is just beyond me. one of the dumbest hockey management groups running a once proud franchise. Keep it going though, at least it gives flames fans something to keep their head up about.

it's so damn fun thinking how much better this team would be had they taken the #2 picks in all 3 past rounds (seguin, landeksog, murray). That's an exceptional #1 Center with size/skill, a power winger who's already the league's youngest captain, and an up and coming great Dman. Instead they have hall (good, not great winger who is prone to injuries due to reckless play), hopkins (small center, who's already showing that the physicality of the league may limit his overall effectiveness), yakupov (smallish Euro winger, haven't even realized he's in the NHL, what is he good at exactly??).

Walter Reed · 03-09-2013, 10:23 AM

I had hopes for some tangible improvement this year, maybe not a playoff team quite yet but nearing it. As this season has progressed the Oil are seemingly regressing, major disappointment for the faithful.

Biff · 03-09-2013, 10:26 AM

from the OOT thread

Locke · 03-09-2013, 10:52 AM

You have to think that at some point the NHL is going to have to put a stop to this. How much longer are they going to stand by and watch top end talent languish in the wasteland that is Edmonton?

They keep picking high and getting good players and then these players just waste away in nowheresville.

They are ruining NHL talent and watering down the talent pool and the NHL cannot simply sit idly by and allow this to happen. The Edmonton Oilers exist to the detriment of the league.

Time to bring in soccer-style promotion/relegation. If you win the Calder Cup in the AHL, congratulations, you're going to the bigtime!

Street Pharmacist · 03-09-2013, 12:04 PM

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You have to think that at some point the NHL is going to have to put a stop to this. How much longer are they going to stand by and watch top end talent languish in the wasteland that is Edmonton?

They keep picking high and getting good players and then these players just waste away in nowheresville.

They are ruining NHL talent and watering down the talent pool and the NHL cannot simply sit idly by and allow this to happen. The Edmonton Oilers exist to the detriment of the league.

Time to bring in soccer-style promotion/relegation. If you win the Calder Cup in the AHL, congratulations, you're going to the bigtime!

The new draft lottery rules should really be called the "Oilers" rule. Teams must be annoyed that the Oilers continue to be given the best opportunities at improving their future by purposefully failing. It must be a huge annoyance for GMs like David Poile, Lou Lamourillo, etc to see that their hard work is made worse by a Tambellini/Lowe duo who get rewarded for failure. I understand to keep the fan base in each market there must be hope for the future, but there needs to be a compelling reason to try and compete EACH and every season. It hurts the integrity of the league to have these Oiler like teams purposefully go for a higher draft pick.

Jason14h · 03-09-2013, 12:09 PM

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Teams must be annoyed that the Oilers continue to be given the best opportunities at improving their future by purposefully failing.

I wouldn't say they are purposefully failing

t0rrent98 · 03-09-2013, 12:10 PM

How long did it take Chicago and the Pens to go where they are at now? The Pens did it after getting crosby while the Hawks did it with Toew and Kane... Maybe the Oilers will do it after they get Jones or MacKinnon...

Flash Walken · 03-09-2013, 12:14 PM

This isn't on purpose, street, this is completely by accident.

station · 03-09-2013, 12:19 PM

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Time to bring in soccer-style promotion/relegation. If you win the Calder Cup in the AHL, congratulations, you're going to the bigtime!

Haha I love it! Especially if they also have to swap affiliations. For instance if the Heat win the Calder and get promoted and the Oilers finish last and get relegated, the Oliers now become the Flames affiliate and we get to recall anyone we want. That'll spread the talent around!

MrMastodonFarm · 03-09-2013, 12:23 PM

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How long did it take Chicago and the Pens to go where they are at now? The Pens did it after getting crosby while the Hawks did it with Toew and Kane... Maybe the Oilers will do it after they get Jones or MacKinnon...

The Penguins drafted Crosby first overall in 2005 and won the cup four years later.
The Hawks drafted Kane first overall in 2007 and won the cup three years later.

Both the Penguins and Hawks only missed the post season one more year after drafting either players.

The Oilers drafted Hall in 2010 and are going to miss the post season for a third year after drafting him, their 7th in a row. At the time the Penguins and Hawks were playing in the finals the Oilers are again contending for picking first overall, their 4th lottery pick.

The Oilers all pointed to those two teams as shining examples of tanking to improve. It's apparently the exact opposite.

Meanwhile the Oilers have promoted both Kevin Lowe and Craig Mactavish.

Brilliant.

Street Pharmacist · 03-09-2013, 12:35 PM

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This isn't on purpose, street, this is completely by accident.

It is completely now, end of year one and year two weren't IMO

MrMastodonFarm · 03-09-2013, 12:51 PM

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It is completely now, end of year one and year two weren't IMO

Year one, the year they drafted Hall?

They went out and signed a big ticket goalie in Khabibulin, you don't do that when you're trying to tank.

The Oilers have never wanted to suck this bad, their management is just totally inept.

Sainters7 · 03-09-2013, 01:11 PM

I had a talk with some Oiler fan buddies up here about this in the off-season. We basically all agreed that if they're just a lottery team again next (this) season, then there is officially something wrong with this current core, including all the young blue chippers.

If they finish this year on a whimper like its looking, I'm declaring this group to be a failure, and I don't want to hear from Oiler fans from June-October anymore on how good they're apparently going to be. No more free passes waiting for assumed certain future success, its put up or shut up. Though I'm sure Oiler fans and the Canadian media will forget about that by draft time, as always..