Cop Hits Four-year Old Girl With Motorcycle, Then Kills Dad

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

In my experience most of the time when someone claims that someone else was "picking a fight with them" they are equally at fault.

And your comments regarding police officers in this very thread cause me to question if you are providing an accurate representation of the facts. I'm sure you think you are, but I think your perception is clouded by your feelings towards officers.

In short, I don't find your story credible. As is my right.

Why would it not be credible?

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola

By virtue of your username, I assume everything you post is a lie...

I have had my share of run-ins with the law, every time I have treated the officer(s) with respect, and I have received the same in kind.

Damn...

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Why would it not be credible?

Because it seems clear that you don't have respect for police officers.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Because it seems clear that you don't have respect for police officers.

I did then. I wanted to be one. Also my friend who was an RCMP can't stand the policy moves the police force has made in the last 10 years. Would his stories be credible if his views were the similar about new - 5 year cops.

In fact, the respect starts on the officers approach. If he seems approachable, and his body language is positive then it changes my reaction as well.

[Reanimate]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

It's the personality of cops that I can't stand. I met one really good one in my day and the rest I have had dealings with have puffed up chests and huge egos. I even had 2 cops try to pick a fight with myself and a few other friends.

Also, from the stories of abused fathers that have to deal with them, I can see why cops as a group are getting the label that they have.

I'm not a criminal, but I sure don't like cops in general.

Having that personality is part of the job. If they walked around with slumped shoulders or a friendly personality, less savoury or guilty people would not be intimidated, might be more inclined to do something stupid. It's like going to school and saying the teacher was too bossy because he/she was always trying to tell you how things work.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Sure, but eveyone has a right to assert themselves. Cops want a "yes sir" "no sir" response. I ask them questions when they ask me questions. You know, being assertive and not allowing them to push me around. That's what they don't like.

What are you talking about? What kind of interaction are you having with the police that you even need to act this way??

[OilKiller]

Originally Posted by Reanimate

Having that personality is part of the job. If they walked around with slumped shoulders or a friendly personality, less savoury or guilty people would not be intimidated, might be more inclined to do something stupid.

I was just about to say the same thing. I have friends who are cops. You HAVE to be like that. It's part of the job.

[Reanimate]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Man you get annoying.

But he is right. You are hearing second hand stories from people who probably had bad run-ins or experiences, not necessarily with the cops themselves but situations with police involved and have pre-formed bad opinions on authority.

[Traditional_Ale]

One personal anecdote about police officers.

When I was in my early 20's a buddy and I were walking down the street smoking a joint. Suddenly there were four cops (seemingly out of nowhere) beating the hell out of us. No warning, no formal arrest, just four cops smashing us into the walls of a building, and then the ground, and then being (illegally) searched. They didn't even read us our rights (formally arrest us). When they found nothing (no more weed, or booze/other drugs, weapons, anything) they essentially berated us trying to get one of us to cave and say/do something stupid.

Fast-forward to the same time the very next year, with the very same buddy, under the very same circumstances but this time in Toronto. All the cop said to us was "Excuse me, sirs, but could you put your joint out, please?" Didn't try to arrest, or search, or cause any more trouble. He used his discretion as a police officer to not pursue some kind of charge and instead very respectfully and politely asked us to (rightfully, because although it was very early in the morning it is still second-hand smoke) put the joint out.

We both said "Yes sir!" almost in unison, put it out, and he smiled and thanked us before carrying on his way.

Interesting dichotomy between the police of the two cities, for sure.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

I was 20-21 when the two cops picked a fight with us while they were in uniform. They told us to keep it "down" and we replied that we are not causing harm nor disturbance where we were (we had a criminology student with us) and they got in our face. They were puffing their chests and being pricks..

I think we have all met a know-it-all criminology student, and wished we were a cop to put them in their place!

[Reanimate]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

One personal anecdote about police officers.

When I was in my early 20's a buddy and I were walking down the street smoking a joint. Suddenly there were four cops (seemingly out of nowhere) beating the hell out of us. No warning, no formal arrest, just four cops smashing us into the walls of a building, and then the ground, and then being (illegally) searched. They didn't even read us our rights (formally arrest us). When they found nothing (no more weed, or booze/other drugs, weapons, anything) they essentially berated us trying to get one of us to cave and say/do something stupid.

Fast-forward to the same time the very next year, with the very same buddy, under the very same circumstances but this time in Toronto. All the cop said to us was "Excuse me, sirs, but could you put your joint out, please?" Didn't try to arrest, or search, or cause any more trouble. He used his discretion as a police officer to not pursue some kind of charge and instead very respectfully and politely asked us to (rightfully, because although it was very early in the morning it is still second-hand smoke) put the joint out.

We both said "Yes sir!" almost in unison, put it out, and he smiled and thanked us before carrying on his way.

Interesting dichotomy between the police of the two cities, for sure.

Yeah, some cops don't really believe weed should be illegal, some think it is as bad as heroin. Probably the two different groups you unfortunately had to encounter.

[Coys1882]

Some of these stories are hilarious - if you removed "cop" from them and replaced it with "black dude" you'd realize how misguided and broad stroked they are.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

One personal anecdote about police officers.

When I was in my early 20's a buddy and I were walking down the street smoking a joint. Suddenly there were four cops (seemingly out of nowhere) beating the hell out of us. No warning, no formal arrest, just four cops smashing us into the walls of a building, and then the ground, and then being (illegally) searched. They didn't even read us our rights (formally arrest us). When they found nothing (no more weed, or booze/other drugs, weapons, anything) they essentially berated us trying to get one of us to cave and say/do something stupid.

Fast-forward to the same time the very next year, with the very same buddy, under the very same circumstances but this time in Toronto. All the cop said to us was "Excuse me, sirs, but could you put your joint out, please?" Didn't try to arrest, or search, or cause any more trouble. He used his discretion as a police officer to not pursue some kind of charge and instead very respectfully and politely asked us to (rightfully, because although it was very early in the morning it is still second-hand smoke) put the joint out.

We both said "Yes sir!" almost in unison, put it out, and he smiled and thanked us before carrying on his way.

Interesting dichotomy between the police of the two cities, for sure.

Aren't you perhaps exagerating just a wee bit. Were you injured in that you had to go to a hospital to receive treatment?
... and if you were smoking a joint in public, you were obviously in possesion of a controlled substance and they had every right to search you.

Btw.. what year was this?

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Aren't you perhaps exagerating just a wee bit. Were you injured in that you had to go to a hospital to receive treatment?
... and if you were smoking a joint in public, you were obviously in possesion of a controlled substance and they had every right to search you.

Btw.. what year was this?

2003 or 2004. Can't remember.

And no I wasn't injured other than some scrapes. And Cops cannot legally search you unless you are under arrest. They never actually read us our rights.

It was wrong/stupid/illegal to smoke a joint in public for sure. I was simply sharing the anecdote to illustrate the differences in ideologies from officer to officer.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Reanimate

But he is right. You are hearing second hand stories from people who probably had bad run-ins or experiences, not necessarily with the cops themselves but situations with police involved and have pre-formed bad opinions on authority.

You know, I get what everyone is saying. However, there is a conversation going on with the police and the Family of Men Society on the inappropriate actions of the police with a man and his boy seeking help from an abusive wife. The problem is while I got the information from the FOM individual (Not the father) who was there and I read the response letters from the police. It is clear that the police actions were not honest or helpful and they are trying to wipe it under the rug by saying that cornering the man and arresting him (removing him from the situation) is policy and they did nothing wrong. They didn't arrest him because the FOM guy stepped in and stopped the confrontation before escalation. This is just an example - if people call it hersay then they are just ignoring the situation. Instead they should be asking for more information and see if it is true!

The man was asking for help for his boy and himself.

And the other stories of fathers are similar. Where there is smoke there is fire.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

It's the personality of cops that I can't stand. I met one really good one in my day and the rest I have had dealings with have puffed up chests and huge egos. I even had 2 cops try to pick a fight with myself and a few other friends.

Also, from the stories of abused fathers that have to deal with them, I can see why cops as a group are getting the label that they have.

I'm not a criminal, but I sure don't like cops in general.

Can someone explain to me why someone with fringe views and a HUGE chip on this shoulder thinks it's a good idea to promote his business (website) on an internet forum?

Do they really think people are going to read their nutty posts and think "Man, I want to do business with this guy!"?

I suppose they might attract like minded folk, but based on what I've read from TBQH, I'd go out of my way to avoid a business or even a social relationship with him.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

One personal anecdote about police officers.

When I was in my early 20's a buddy and I were walking down the street smoking a joint. Suddenly there were four cops (seemingly out of nowhere) beating the hell out of us. No warning, no formal arrest, just four cops smashing us into the walls of a building, and then the ground, and then being (illegally) searched. They didn't even read us our rights (formally arrest us). When they found nothing (no more weed, or booze/other drugs, weapons, anything) they essentially berated us trying to get one of us to cave and say/do something stupid.

Fast-forward to the same time the very next year, with the very same buddy, under the very same circumstances but this time in Toronto. All the cop said to us was "Excuse me, sirs, but could you put your joint out, please?" Didn't try to arrest, or search, or cause any more trouble. He used his discretion as a police officer to not pursue some kind of charge and instead very respectfully and politely asked us to (rightfully, because although it was very early in the morning it is still second-hand smoke) put the joint out.

We both said "Yes sir!" almost in unison, put it out, and he smiled and thanked us before carrying on his way.

Interesting dichotomy between the police of the two cities, for sure.

Yeah, joints are soooo dangerous. I don't smoke them but I have no problem with them as well. Heroin, Meth or cocaine is different. And nobody should be subject to that treatment for a joint.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Can someone explain to me why someone with fringe views and a HUGE chip on this shoulder thinks it's a good idea to promote his business (website) on an internet forum?

Do they really think people are going to read their nutty posts and think "Man, I want to do business with this guy!"?

I suppose they might attract like minded folk, but based on what I've read from TBQH, I'd go out of my way to avoid a business or even a social relationship with him.

Ditto you come across as a real ahole.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

One personal anecdote about police officers.

When I was in my early 20's a buddy and I were walking down the street smoking a joint. Suddenly there were four cops (seemingly out of nowhere) beating the hell out of us. No warning, no formal arrest, just four cops smashing us into the walls of a building, and then the ground, and then being (illegally) searched. They didn't even read us our rights (formally arrest us). When they found nothing (no more weed, or booze/other drugs, weapons, anything) they essentially berated us trying to get one of us to cave and say/do something stupid.

Fast-forward to the same time the very next year, with the very same buddy, under the very same circumstances but this time in Toronto. All the cop said to us was "Excuse me, sirs, but could you put your joint out, please?" Didn't try to arrest, or search, or cause any more trouble. He used his discretion as a police officer to not pursue some kind of charge and instead very respectfully and politely asked us to (rightfully, because although it was very early in the morning it is still second-hand smoke) put the joint out.

We both said "Yes sir!" almost in unison, put it out, and he smiled and thanked us before carrying on his way.

Interesting dichotomy between the police of the two cities, for sure.

My experience with the CPS is the polar opposite. When I was in my 20's, I was at a club on Electric Avenue and was smoking a joint in the bathroom with a couple buddies when the cops walked in. We looked at them and they looked at us and said "That's a cigarette, right?" We said "Right" and tossed in the crapper. End of story.

Until now, I have never heard of the CPS taking anyone down for smoking a joint.

As others have said, when dealing with police, I find it best to observe the golden rule. Treat them how you would like them to treat you.

Why would anyone in their right mind expect respect from a cop if they show the cop zero respect?

Act like an ignorant jerk, expect the police to treat you as one.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Ditto you come across as a ahole.

Stop bullying me!!

If I do come across as an ass, at least I'm smart enough not to attempt to promote my business while acting like an ass. For all you know, you could be supporting this asses business!