Cop gets 20-day sentence for sex with girl, 15

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I hope this guy is an ex-cop by now. There is no excuse! None! His next job should have him asking, "Would you like fries with that?"

Nope, he gets to return to work.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Nope, he gets to return to work.

I don't get that from the article. It says that he has since moved to Toronto and is starting a career unrelated to law enforcement. It also describes him as a 'suspended' police officer, and I didn't see anything saying whether those suspensions would ever be lifted.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Yes, he only gets 20 days in jail and 10 years on the sex offender list. Yes, he's slimy. However, I think his punishment is much more than what the courts handed down.

His actions resulted in him:
1) Being divorced.
2) Being alienated from his 4 children.
3) Being branded as a sex offender.
4) Never being able to work in his chosen field again.

I'm not saying we should feel sorry for him. I sure don't. This is one of those cases where natural consequences will provide far greater grief than the justice system could.

You sound like his lawyer.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by octothorp

I don't get that from the article. It says that he has since moved to Toronto and is starting a career unrelated to law enforcement. It also describes him as a 'suspended' police officer, and I didn't see anything saying whether those suspensions would ever be lifted.

Ahhh you are right, it does say he is pursuing a new career unrelated to law enforcement.

I got turned around because of the sentencing early in the article (including the part where they are still allowing him to work in trust situations with minors) and the fact that throughout the incidents it continually referred to him as an officer.

Still chaps my hide though. Still seems remarkably lenient compared to similar situations and cases.

[HPLovecraft]

Why is he a "suspended" officer, and not a "fired" officer? Anyone in law enforcement know the difference? Is suspended only a temporary ban kind of thing? Not sure how that works.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Why is he a "suspended" officer, and not a "fired" officer? Anyone in law enforcement know the difference? Is suspended only a temporary ban kind of thing? Not sure how that works.

This is what was confusing me. Maybe he left work on his own accord? Cause he needed a fresh start, In which case, my argument still stands. He COULD return to work.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I'll remember that when I'm caught going 10 KM over the speed limit.

Numbers are put there for a reason.

Kinda OT, but I don't like this analogy. Speed limit isn't quite that arbitrary. Roads are designed to be driven at a certain speed for certain conditions, but safety factors they use in determining those design standards are kind of arbitrary, but are actually backed with hard scientific numbers.

/end pointless rant

[jammies]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Why is he a "suspended" officer, and not a "fired" officer? Anyone in law enforcement know the difference? Is suspended only a temporary ban kind of thing? Not sure how that works.

He was undoubtedly suspended pending the outcome of the trial. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

This "age of consent" argument is a joke. If I had to guess why the age of consent is what it is, it probably has more to do with preventing one half of a young couple (say a 16/17 year old dating a 15/16 year old) from being prosecuted as a sex offender if they ended up having sex while the younger person was still not of the age of consent. Yet when something like this newsbite happens, there will be people in the crowd that will hold up the stated law as if it is that black and white, and argue that it is a great idea for a 40+ year old man to sleep with a 16 year old girl "because it is legal". Give me a break. For instance, even though OilKiller is on my ignore list I would be anyone $5 that his post in this thread is along those lines.

The best thing about this is Oilkiller's actual post in the thread.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Teh_Bandwagoner

Kinda OT, but I don't like this analogy. Speed limit isn't quite that arbitrary. Roads are designed to be driven at a certain speed for certain conditions, but safety factors they use in determining those design standards are kind of arbitrary, but are actually backed with hard scientific numbers.

/end pointless rant

I could kinda argue this, because the laws for age are built on data and numbers too. Maybe not scientific in the way we think of hard data, but definitely based on studies within the realm of science, like psychology, human development, etc.

Regardless, one could probably come up with countless other examples of grey, arbitrary laws that need to be followed.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Teh_Bandwagoner

Kinda OT, but I don't like this analogy. Speed limit isn't quite that arbitrary. Roads are designed to be driven at a certain speed for certain conditions, but safety factors they use in determining those design standards are kind of arbitrary, but are actually backed with hard scientific numbers.

What makes speed limits arbitrary is that they are so far below the design speeds. You could design a road for 200 km/h but it would still have a 110 km/h speed limit because that's the highest allowed in Canada.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I was able to drive @ 16........when did the law change?

Oh, it is 16? My bad, I didn't know.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by jammies

He was undoubtedly suspended pending the outcome of the trial. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Is he suspended with or without pay?

[Barnet Flame]

Do you know who I blame?

Those sexy kids.

[Hockeyguy15]

Came in expecting Pedo Bear, leaving disappointed.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Is he suspended with or without pay?

I don't know, but usually with pay. If he was found innocent, would it be fair that he was punished by losing out financially? He was found guilty, so the suspension would undoubtedly turn into a firing, but he probably voluntarily resigned when he made his guilty plea.

[wookster]

Originally Posted by Locke

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/20.../20082916.html

He also knowingly provided alcohol to a minor which may also have skewed her decision making abilities.

He didnt just have sex with a minor, he also got her drunk first.

It did say later in the article that he assumed she was of age to drink so
technically he didn't really knowingly provide alcohol to a minor. That is if he was telling the truth about that of course.

Lunski said Borel, when confronted with the allegation in October, told his police interviewers that he’d never asked the girl’s age and simply assumed she was old enough to drink.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by wookster

It did say later in the article that he assumed she was of age to drink so
technically he didn't really knowingly provide alcohol to a minor.

Worst excuse ever. If you are not sure, you make sure. Especially since the guy is (was) a cop, he knows these things very well. So basically he is lying through his teeth.

[Weiser Wonder]

Age of consent laws are arbitrary, yes, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere. That line isn't relevant to the morality of sleeping with a teenager. A 16 or 17 year old having sex with a 39 year old isn't less ####ed up than a 15 year old. It's a shame that people use the law as an excuse for creeping on children.

[OilKiller]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Came in expecting Pedo Bear, leaving disappointed.

I was going to post it, but then thought it was too predictable.

Seems I was right.