Do Vancouver Men Suck?

[Cowboy89]

For whatever reason even from my perspective this article makes a lot of sense.
If you buy into the theory that everyone prefers to date someone who is 'better than them' then of course well to do, well educated women will find it hard to find men who meet and exceed their expectations. Partly because it's totally true that a large component of the the 20s - early 30s male bracket has seemed to have checked out and made lifestyles centered around adolescent pastimes and aspirations.

But another part of it is that these overly critical women do in fact need to get over themselves, get a better attitude and become more approachable. Maybe I'm a misogynist, but I find that in the professional world Gen Y woman seem to get a higher sense of accomplishment and self-actualization out of their career status, moreso than Gen Y men in simlar circles. These women build up these 'Sex and the City' like complexes where they think they're a lot sexier, classier, and savvier then reality and that extends into their expectations about their dating life and the men who occupy it.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by bomba

Lived there for 3 single years. Trust me it's the women that are the problem - they have their heads in the clouds

Vancouver is quite the hilarious scene. Before I turned 25, just about every girl I met seemed to be an aspiring model/actress/dancer, but was really a waitress. These same waitresses expected their dates to be rich, but they usually just ended up with guys who had enough money from their parents that they could pretend to be rich; or they ended up being the fling for a professional. It was only the true 9-10/10 who weren't crazy that actually managed to land their dream guys.

I then graduated grad school and got a professional job. Let's just say things are different. Women have a great sense for wealth in Vancouver. When I was budgetting for student loans obviously I'm going to be concerned about my nightly budget at the bar. When I'm more care free with money, I have women approaching me.

I now have a girlfriend who's also a professional. The funny part is that now I what it takes to make it, I could never see myself with a professional waitress. I notice the same things from my friends too. All of my friends who are single, date the waitresses breifly but not long term.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

For whatever reason even from my perspective this article makes a lot of sense.
If you buy into the theory that everyone prefers to date someone who is 'better than them' then of course well to do, well educated women will find it hard to find men who meet and exceed their expectations. Partly because it's totally true that a large component of the the 20s - early 30s male bracket has seemed to have checked out and made lifestyles centered around adolescent pastimes and aspirations.

But another part of it is that these overly critical women do in fact need to get over themselves, get a better attitude and become more approachable. Maybe I'm a misogynist, but I find that in the professional world Gen Y woman seem to get a higher sense of accomplishment and self-actualization out of their career status, moreso than Gen Y men in simlar circles. These women build up these 'Sex and the City' like complexes where they think they're a lot sexier, classier, and savvier then reality and that extends into their expectations about their dating life and the men who occupy it.

What's funny to me is that there seems to be a negative connotation with men doing what they like.

Women seem to attribute it to adult aged boys, when in reality that is what men are like. They like their toys, they like dressing casual, having fun, being immature (by their father and grandfather's standards) etc.

I'm not gonna pretend like there aren't a lot of guys who are concerned with their appearance, their social status, financial status, how nice their car is compared to others etc. There are certainly a lot of guys who have become metro and who are in that "Sex and the City" mode of having to have status and money to find a woman.

On the other hand, a lot of guys have said #### it and realized that they'd rather be single or at least not settle down, in favor of living the way they want. A lot of this has to do with the increasing career and status focus of women. Men have realized that lots of women are more concerned with things that provide a lot of image satisfaction but not a ton of personal satisfaction.

My list of goals doesn't include being spotted at the trendiest restaurants or coffee shops or buying a nicer car than my neighbors or shopping at the fanciest stores. I am happy wearing a pair of jeans, tshirt and a hat and playing xbox with my buddies. The idea that this is some sort of adolescent lifestyle is misleading. Who determines that? Are we really going to judge ourselves from the standards of generations previously that all men need to be stoic and super serious 24/7?

Women have been stereotyped (rightly or wrongly) that they always want to find a man who has a higher status than them. This is usually determined by financial status.

The problem is that as they've reached higher and higher of status levels themselves, it has cut out a significant portion of the population. At the same time the above scenario I talked about with men becoming more and more "themselves" has led to women believing that they can't find a man.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by blankall

Vancouver is quite the hilarious scene. Before I turned 25, just about every girl I met seemed to be an aspiring model/actress/dancer, but was really a waitress.

In Vancouver, the word "artist" is a euphemism for unemployed.

[JD]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

In Vancouver, the word "artist" is a euphemism for unemployed.

I don't think that's limited to Vancouver!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by JD

I don't think that's limited to Vancouver!

But it seems to be extreme in Vancouver. Women from all over Western Canada flock to Vancouver to become actresses and models. Unfortunately unless you are extremely talented, you need ridiculous amounts of training, talent, and dedication to become an artist. Getting hammered after your shift at Earls every night is probably not going to get you your big break.

Not so coincidentally, Vancouver is also one of the low budget porn capitals of North America.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Some of us 25-30 year-olds aren't really in the income bracket to be wearing sport coats and Italian loafers. Also, whenever I've gone to the clubs with girls they always seem to note that the dudes who dress up too much look like they're trying too hard.

I'll dress up if I'm going somewhere nice, but I'm not going to get all sweaty and boozey in my nice clothes at a hot, stinky club. Girls have the advantage there because getting dressed up means wearing less layers. I seem to do just fine with my decent sneakers, clean jeans, and non-######y t-shirts. Maybe it's because I'm more focused on trying to have fun than pick-up girls when I go out, so I look like less of a dog.

You probably spend more on your runners than I do on my steve maddons, again most guys only need a couple of jackets and a black suit and they cost about the same as jeans and a t shirt these days, my kids will happily spend 2 or 300 on a hoody or tracksuit tops.

I could care less what anyone wears I just hate the stupidity of guys that complain women won't talk to them when they look like a peice of crap, what the hell do they expect, we have standards as do women, very few here would hit on a girl with no make up, a few pounds overweight, who's hair was a mess and was wearing sweat pants, why the hell should girls be any different?

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by blankall

But it seems to be extreme in Vancouver. Women from all over Western Canada flock to Vancouver to become actresses and models. Unfortunately unless you are extremely talented, you need ridiculous amounts of training, talent, and dedication to become an artist. Getting hammered after your shift at Earls every night is probably not going to get you your big break.

Not so coincidentally, Vancouver is also one of the low budget porn capitals of North America.

I don't get the point. Obviously, any place where the opportunity is perceived greatest to become an actress/writer/artist whatever will attract those types of people. Vancouver has a film industry, so it attracts aspiring artists. Not all of them are good, most are bad, and the porn industry has a tendency to set up shop where it can get hold of lots of young, naive, dreamers that just want to get on screen. It's not extreme at all, it's just what happens in these types of cities.

[SeeBass]

Men have been dying years ahead of women probably from stress.

If men want to slow down and just enjoy what they like then good on them.

Women have been yapping about how much better the world would be if they ran it. So let them try and then we can complain.

[mikey_the_redneck]

I don't know why the women are complaining. They wanted equality right??

Females are hypergamous by nature, meaning they are looking to move up the socio-economic ladder. For example it is far more common for the male doctor to marry the nurse/cleaning lady than a female doctor marrying the male nurse/janitor.

Unfortunately, our modern culture has made money the biggest indicator of male status.

So now that women have become economically empowered and equal to men, the dating pool of available "acceptable" (higher earning/status) men shrinks drastically.

If you're a high earning male in Vancouver you have quite a swath of women to choose from (lucky s.o.b's), while the lower earning men are checking out because they don't want to compete with women, and cannot meet the 463 bullet point list that most Sex and the City types have rolled up in their over-sized hand-bags.

Roissy can explain this much more eloquently than I.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/...ity-ruins-sex/

"When women make as much or more money than men, when they have equally prestigious jobs and an army of assistants, they will find that the pool of sexually desirable men dries up, and the inevitably lowered status men who are available to them are perceived as veritably castrated. Male dating inequality results, where more and more men are deemed unworthy mate prospects while the few men who still wield high status over the majority of women find their prospects enlarged."

[SeeBass]

My wife makes way more money than me and I am good with it.

My buddies think I am a lucky SOB and their wives think I must be great in the sack.

[1stLand]

A little off topic, but since we are on the subject of 'immature men' and the dating world, I'd like to add my 2 cents.

From about age 16 - 25 I noticed that men around this age bracket that have nothing going for them (No education, trade-certificate, work ethic, money) seem to do well with women if they are of great social stature, good looking, rebelious etc.

I couldnt understand for the life of me, how these characters did so well with Pretty women who were high acheivers in school and in careers. I suppose women within that same age group have different priorities at that stage in their life. They want adventure and are looking for a good time.

Fast forward to 25 and on and my prospects with women have significantly improved as I have a good job / career & money saved and have my sh** together. I'm average looking, in good shape, but I do get alot of positive responses from the opposite sex that otherwise would have not been offered in my late teens early twenties.

The only catch is that most of these women 25 and older have baggage from their unspent youths. By that I mean 1 or 2 kids in tow from their degenerate ex-boyfriends.

Thats not cool. Thats not cool at all.

[troutman]

Pretty women out walkin' with gorillas down my street . . .

Is she really going out with him?
Is she really gonna take him home tonight?
Is she really going out with him?
Cause if my eyes don't deceive me
There's something going wrong around here

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I take it you happily date 200lb fuglies as long as they have a good personality? I mean the shallowness of a woman not wanting to date an unemployed meth addicted ex con. Bitches all of them eh!

You didn't get my point smart a$$, I had women wanting me to be their boyfriend after one date because I had a good job , a car, and no criminal record.

you can read right?

date and being a boyfriend are very different, maybe not to you, but to me they are. Maybe you have no problem committing to someone when all they know about you is your income, you drive, and past legal history, but I like to have something in common then that before I commit to someone, really don't see where your connection to finding that wrong? I never wrote women shouldn't find good ideal mates to date. Thats very different from going blindly into a relationship with maybe 2 to 4 hours of history with the person,.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by calgaryred

You didn't get my point smart a$$, I had women wanting me to be their boyfriend after one date because I had a good job , a car, and no criminal record.

you can read right?

date and being a boyfriend are very different, maybe not to you, but to me they are. Maybe you have no problem committing to someone when all they know about you is your income, you drive, and past legal history, but I tend to have something in common then that before I commit to someone, really don't see where your connection to finding that wrong? I never wrote women shouldn't find good ideal mates to date. Thats very different from going blindly into a relationship with maybe 2 to 4 hours of history with the person,.

Just curious, but how do these women know your income and past legal history without knowing anything about you personally? Do they request copies of your income tax statement and a criminal record check?

[CofR]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Just curious, but how do these women know your income and past legal history without knowing anything about you personally? Do they request copies of your income tax statement and a criminal record check?

Do you guys not bring those with you on all first dates?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by CofR

Do you guys not bring those with you on all first dates?

Along with urine and DNA samples for testing, if they want to.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CofR

Do you guys not bring those with you on all first dates?

haha. No, but most people do normally discuss what they do for work during a first date. I spend 50-60 hours a week at work. It's obviously going to come up at some point during a first date.

Even though my life was a lot less boring when I was working in kitchens/doing sales work and considering my options for the future, there was definitely a large part of the female demographic who wanted no part of that.

[Locke]

I find it interesting that its such a significant issue that its become a noticeable complex.

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Just curious, but how do these women know your income and past legal history without knowing anything about you personally? Do they request copies of your income tax statement and a criminal record check?

dude its not hard if someone asks what you do for a living, it gives it away, unless you do a job where your pay scale isn't known. What I do for a living you can't have a criminal record.