Francis: Treliving filled with disappointment, anger after team's collapse

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by zamler

No one is asking for Gulutzan to be publicly humiliated and driven out of town tied to a car bumper.

Ya but you gotta show some professionalism dude. You think elite coaches like AV and JQ would want to come here if Treliving fired him with 2 games left in the season. Flames represent a classy organization from top to bottom on how they handle things, that is why we never hear trade leaks or any sort of bs rumours come out.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by zamler

I'm glad you don't run the Flames or you'd be rolling dice to make decisions. Because luck.

Good to see you're letting everything I've said soak in.

[calf]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

When was the last time a coach got fired with two games left in the season in any sport?

Not 2 games left, but Lou Lamorello fired Claude Julien very late in the 2007 season, and they were making the playoffs.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by calf

Not 2 games left, but Lou Lamorello fired Claude Julien very late in the 2007 season, and they were making the playoffs.

3 games left, 105 point season IIRC.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

It's funny - the GM's going back years have continually whined about "character", "tenacity" and "spark", yet have always managed to trade/lose the "sparkiest" guy on the team - Byron, Prust twice,... Like, really? Not trying to re-start those debates per se - just saying that you want "spark", yet...

And Byron could also score. He has 20 goals the last two seasons with Montreal. He also played for a loss less money than other players in the league with his talent.

[FlamesAddiction]

At least we didn't have to hear about "the process" this time. That was always such a cop-out answer for him in the past.

I was never really inspired by Treliving's talk and never understood the cult following he enjoys. Four seasons in, he should not still be trying to determine the identity of the team. Not that I don't think he hasn't made some good deals and signings, but the bad is starting to outweigh the good IMO. The results this season can attest to that.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by calf

Not 2 games left, but Lou Lamorello fired Claude Julien very late in the 2007 season, and they were making the playoffs.

Robbie Ftorek was twice fired with less than 10 games remaining. In both cases, the teams were going to the playoffs.

In 2000, Ftorek was fired by the Devils with 8 games left and replaced by Larry Robinson. They went on to win the Cup.


I guess there's some logic in trying to shake things up prior to the playoffs, but if you're not making the playoffs, there's no reason to do a late-season firing.

[nik-]

I'm glad things are never as bad as they seem, because they seem pretty ####ing bad.

[Demaeon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm betting that the end of season pizza party and garbage bag and final interview day will be very subdued.

With the question of "Did Treliving spit in the pizza" floating out there.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I want to be optimistic that Treliving can turn this thing back around, but he traded away our 1st and 2nd round picks in a year where we missed the playoffs, and he's the guy who hired Gulutzan who has pretty much face planted in embarrassing fashion. (and hasn't fired him yet either...officially)

My faith is shaken, to say the least.

The Brouwer signing was the first big eyebrow raise for me.

[GullFoss]

Other people who hate to lose as much as tkachuk and smith: Sutter, iggy, ferland

People who seemingly don't mind losing: brouwer, ahler Matt stajan, lazar, Brodie

[Phaneufenstein]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Perhaps I'm letting my bias influence my perception, but to me, these comments seem like a clear shot at GG's robotic and emotionless approach to games. The rigid structure and inflexibility have been a major damper on this team's passion level.

Full disclosure, I also thought Smith's comments after the Glass/Lucic fight were directed at GG. It was Gulutzan's decision to have Glass fight Lucic, instead of Ferland or Hathaway.

It was also GG's decision not to dress Stewart for that game, knowing full well that Lucic may get out of hand.

The biggest error was made with the lineup before the game actually started.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

How a franchise treats players/coaches impacts whether other people want to be part of the organization. Running an outgoing coach into the ground isn't a good way to kick off the search for a new coach.

When I said "fire him already" that was in a general context not do it this second or else. I don't think firing him today would be the most egregious thing ever done either.

[EVERLAST]

Identity huh?? Well let's look at players who brought identity , character and where is this guy that stirs the drink on this team.

I'd say without a doubt right now Tkachuk is that guy.....and Gio could be that guy you follow into battle but he just isn't.

It used to be McGrattan for a while. Before that maybe Paul Byron to a small degree ( no pun intended)
Both of these guys did stuff on the ice that commanded attention.

One guy smashed in your face and the other would just skate past you or nail your ash to the boards regardless of how big you were he didn't back down.

I noticed immediately the loss of these guys. It was easy to see no one was replacing Brian and I remember only a few people ever taking Byron seriously while the rest were just making jokes about what Byron offered or didn't.

Regardless, here we sit. Brad's got one helluva off season to work on.

I hope we do something to ensure we keep guys like Shore and heck even offer a PTO to Stewart with the understanding he has to earn a second year contract with a raise but for now it's always earned and never given.....yeah I said it to those who hate that expression.

I think so many problems go away once the axe is used on Glen, Dave Cameron and the rest of those supporting him.

Treliving has to be put on notice too.

Put this year behind us.....I never want to see us have another Abysmal like this one.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Other people who hate to lose as much as tkachuk and smith: Sutter, iggy, ferland

People who seemingly don't mind losing: brouwer, ahler Matt stajan, lazar, Brodie

Ferkland? Yeah he’s been just dominating out there lately....

He mailed in the last half of the season.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by getbak

Robbie Ftorek was twice fired with less than 10 games remaining. In both cases, the teams were going to the playoffs.

In 2000, Ftorek was fired by the Devils with 8 games left and replaced by Larry Robinson. They went on to win the Cup.


I guess there's some logic in trying to shake things up prior to the playoffs, but if you're not making the playoffs, there's no reason to do a late-season firing.

Not with 2 games left, no. But with 10-15 games left once it became clear it was over and the wheels were about to completely fall off? Why not. The end of this season has been abject misery. It couldn't have been good for the morale of, well, anyone. I understand that Treliving is a patient guy but it would be hard for me If I were GM to stand by and watch the team go limp to that degree at the end of the year. Maybe the good old days of the interim coach are over and it just wasn't realistic to make the change, but part of me wonders how the organization could just stand by and watch this all take place. I tuned in late last night but seeing the half empty dome with the Flames yet again faltering to a weak team was sad and pathetic. I felt sorry for those still in attendance. It never should've got this bad.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

How a franchise treats players/coaches impacts whether other people want to be part of the organization. Running an outgoing coach into the ground isn't a good way to kick off the search for a new coach.

Exactly.

Why is it so hard for people to see this.

You HAVE to be a classy organization.

Anyone remember the Tire Fire Up North firing someone over Skype?

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Not with 2 games left, no. But with 10-15 games left once it became clear it was over and the wheels were about to completely fall off? Why not. The end of this season has been abject misery. It couldn't have been good for the morale of, well, anyone. I understand that Treliving is a patient guy but it would be hard for me If I were GM to stand by and watch the team go limp to that degree at the end of the year. Maybe the good old days of the interim coach are over and it just wasn't realistic to make the change, but part of me wonders how the organization could just stand by and watch this all take place. I tuned in late last night but seeing the half empty dome with the Flames yet again faltering to a weak team was sad and pathetic. I felt sorry for those still in attendance. It never should've got this bad.

10-15 games left they were still in the hunt

You don't take team that has a shot still no matter how slim and throw a brand new coach in during the stretch drive for the playoffs

When he wasn't replaced early this season it was a sign he was here until the offseason

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Other people who hate to lose as much as tkachuk and smith: Sutter, iggy, ferland

People who seemingly don't mind losing: brouwer, ahler Matt stajan, lazar, Brodie

How did you arrive at these conclusions? Do you assume this on the basis of how these players carry themselves following games and in interviews?

Smith is a fiery guy; so is Tkachuk. Brodie is not, and neither is Stajan. They do not look outwardly the part, but that very often does not mean much of anything. "Hating to lose" is such a cliché when it comes to NHL players; its the same thing with criticizing the coach for his perceptibly dispassionate demeanour behind the bench. One does not get to play in this League without being extremely competitive and dedicated to their craft in the first place. Every NHL player and coach hates losing whether they wear it on their sleeve or not.

[djsFlames]

Hey Brad, I've heard Tavares and Sutter are really emotionally invested dudes.