Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Vancouver realtor and investor

Commoner?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Funny, this is word for word what is written in the Sun article. Lol. I guess maybe you do agree with the Sun on some things!!

Your posts about Carbon Tax should be in the Alberta Politics thread. The Feds have accepted all of the Carbon tax proposals that Alberta has proposed to the government. The current Carbon Tax system is a Smith/Kenny choice.

Also the analysis of the Quebec situation needs more nuance as you need to do a similar lifecycle analysis to compare to the Alberta plus rebates system to the Quebec system where they choose to put all the money into greening the energy supplies.

In a cap and trade market as long as the cap is being reduced sufficiently to meet climate change objectives which Smith does not discuss then the price of carbon is not relevant to whether or not the program is meeting climate goals. It is funny that a conservative would be advocating for cap in trade which places a cap on carbon emissions over the free market carbon tax system which places a price on externalities as the right historically favoured a market driven approach over regulation but the conservatives don’t seem too conservative anymore anyways.

If the Quebec plan is better (and I have no idea if it is) The issue here isn’t one of the sovereignty act it’s a failure of Alberta to bother to negotiate the best deal it could for the province.

[Doctorfever]

It’s almost as if no carbon tax would be best.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

It’s almost as if no carbon tax would be best.

That would certainly put our oil exports at risk as other countries impose taxes on non-carbon priced goods. The current system protects our large industrial emitters. Much like Alberta does not like the tax imposed by ottawa we will not like the Tarrif imposed by other countries. At a minimum you need to pay lip service to the issue.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

It’s almost as if no carbon tax would be best.

It’s almost as if Alberta was positioned to look like a victim.

[Fuzz]

It will be interesting to see how the public weighs carbon taxes vs summer fires and smoke. I know they aren't directly correlated but I can see the argument being a heated one. Though Canadians have astoundingly short memories, so if an election is on a low fire year it may favour Pierre.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1692338817481810153

This is interesting to me. It seems that people today are more in the "I'm fine and things are good, but I feel like the economy and everyone else isn't doing very well" kind of camp. I give the government no credit for this, but the reality is we've hiked interest rates the fastest and most aggressively in history to quell inflation. Jobs remain strong, unemployment is near historical lows, the housing market hasn't crashed and actually the consumer isn't that weak.

The constant proclamation that these are the end times gets old pretty fast when you look at those kinds of statistics. We've heard about the imminent recession for over 18 months on end. When do the doomsdayers admit they were wrong? Of course we'll have another recession at some point, but it's a disservice to the public to constantly warn about one.

And for me, the worst part of all this, is the constant cheering for economic calamity so that a different politician can have a crack at running things. I won't vote for Trudeau, but I definitely don't want things to crater just to prove a point or anything like that.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It will be interesting to see how the public weighs carbon taxes vs summer fires and smoke. I know they aren't directly correlated but I can see the argument being a heated one. Though Canadians have astoundingly short memories, so if an election is on a low fire year it may favour Pierre.

Is there any correlation though?

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Slava

This is interesting to me. It seems that people today are more in the "I'm fine and things are good, but I feel like the economy and everyone else isn't doing very well" kind of camp. I give the government no credit for this, but the reality is we've hiked interest rates the fastest and most aggressively in history to quell inflation. Jobs remain strong, unemployment is near historical lows, the housing market hasn't crashed and actually the consumer isn't that weak.

The constant proclamation that these are the end times gets old pretty fast when you look at those kinds of statistics. We've heard about the imminent recession for over 18 months on end. When do the doomsdayers admit they were wrong? Of course we'll have another recession at some point, but it's a disservice to the public to constantly warn about one.

And for me, the worst part of all this, is the constant cheering for economic calamity so that a different politician can have a crack at running things. I won't vote for Trudeau, but I definitely don't want things to crater just to prove a point or anything like that.

That doesn’t mean things are not way broken already.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Yoho

That doesn’t mean things are not way broken already.

Based on what? Conjecture? I mean the data pretty clearly shows that things are not as terrible as you'd seem to have us believe.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Slava

Based on what? Conjecture? I mean the data pretty clearly shows that things are not as terrible as you'd seem to have us believe.

Things have never been more unaffordable.

I get it’s in the best interest for things not to crater but the math isn’t there to have things continue on the way they are.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1680217864647712770

[Doctorfever]

Just a quick google search tell me things are not very good for a large number of Canadians. Huge number of people can’t afford to feed themselves. I’m sure a hand out or two will be coming, but that is not recipe for success in the long run.



https://www.todocanada.ca/second-har...ion-per-month/

The report finds that non-profit food programs that hand out food to vulnerable Canadians forecast the number of people they serve to grow by 60% in 2023, on top of 134% growth in 2022.

This works out to 8,208,679 people per month in 2023, up from 5,141,481 to in 2022. This is equivalent to 20% of the country’s population. As per Statistics Canada’s estimate, Canada’s population is now over 39 million up from 36,991,981 in the 2021 census.

Disclaimer: I have no idea if this is a non-partisan source or not, maybe someone could chime in on that.

[btimbit]

I dunno, I think it's a bit of both. The housing market is completely ####ed, grocery costs are outrageous, but other than that the sky isn't falling nearly as much as a lot of people seem to be claiming. We just came out of a major pandemic, these things are to be expected

A lot of it seems to be things that have been building for a very long time, like wages not increasing. It's nothing new but covid seemed to really hammer it home. Yet rather than work toward a pro labour solution people want shortcuts and a boogeyman to blame

[Slava]

And to add to that, it's just not political. There's no political solution to this, and whether it's the CPC or the Liberals in power we face the same challenges and have no further solutions.

And, when I hear PP say he'd fire the BoC Governor and thjngs like that, it just makes me realize how I'll equipped he is to handle things. It's ridiculous.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Slava

Is there any correlation though?

Well that's a discussion for another thread, I'm talking perception. Obviously the public aren't nearly expert or informed enough to decide that themselves(or even listen to facts, most of the time).

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Slava

when I hear PP say he'd fire the BoC Governor and thjngs like that, it just makes me realize how I'll equipped he is to handle things. It's ridiculous.

This is so ####ing damning and you are 100% correct.

Why the #### the CPC can't pick the right leader is beyond me.

It's like they don't actually want to win.

I'm sure being opposition is a much easier gig than actually being in movement.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Slava

And to add to that, it's just not political. There's no political solution to this, and whether it's the CPC or the Liberals in power we face the same challenges and have no further solutions.

The big systemic problems in Canada today (housing costs, health care capacity) took decades to develop and affect people across jurisdictions. They can’t be laid at the feet of a single party or any single level of government.

The solutions are going to take decades, and require the cooperation of every party in government at the federal, provincial, and municipal level. That means implementing policies that have broad public support and will require broadly shared sacrifices. There’s no vilifying our way out of these problems. People who think that if only we vote X out of power things will turn around are kidding themselves.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Slava

And to add to that, it's just not political. There's no political solution to this, and whether it's the CPC or the Liberals in power we face the same challenges and have no further solutions.

And, when I hear PP say he'd fire the BoC Governor and thjngs like that, it just makes me realize how I'll equipped he is to handle things. It's ridiculous.

I disagree that the Conservatives would have led us to this same financial abyss.

This was 2020 Pierre sounding the alarm.

I think it’s naive to think there was no possible way for any different outcome.

The Liberals knew full well what they were doing and pressed on the “tomorrow never comes” plan.

Fast forward to today and the piper needs to get paid.

The revisionist history that “no one could have seen this coming” rings hollow.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1327683071987081217

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

This is so ####ing damning and you are 100% correct.

Why the #### the CPC can't pick the right leader is beyond me.

It's like they don't actually want to win.

I'm sure being opposition is a much easier gig than actually being in movement.

If the polls are any indication CPC have the right guy.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1692536832456614118

[Fuzz]

The boundless optimism is impressive, I'll give you that.