2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[memphusk]

The NFL doesn't have guaranteed contracts? I think you might be wrong.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Escrow isn't going away.

Right now, the NHL players get a lot. They get the holidays off, they get a bye week, they get the all-star week, now they get to shut the league down mid-season to have an exhibition series and go to the Olympics. NFL and NBA don't do that.

NFL doesn't have guaranteed contracts either. 5-year guaranteed contract isn't the end of the world.

The NHL pays the players escrow. The NHL needs to get the salary cap way way up to avoid the weird situation of the NHL not paying the players enough money as per their contracts and having to have a top up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by memphusk

The NFL doesn't have guaranteed contracts? I think you might be wrong.

They get some of it fully guaranteed, but it is not a fully guaranteed contract and they can usually be easily cut.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They get some of it fully guaranteed, but it is not a fully guaranteed contract and they can usually be easily cut.

AFAIK, NFL contracts can be terminated by the team at any time, except when a player is injured. If there is no guaranteed amount, the player is paid for the proportion of the season that they played. Some contracts have guarantees that a player will earn the same amount even if he is injured, and others have an amount that is guaranteed regardless of injury or performance issues.

For injured players, the team and player can agree on a settlement to terminate the contract, rather than the team keeping the player on IR.

So basically, what you said.

[memphusk]

Yeah it's guaranteed money. Watson's was fully guaranteed money.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Yeah it's guaranteed money. Watson's was fully guaranteed money.

Some are; some aren't. The guarantee or amount guaranteed is negotiable, just like a NMC or NTC in hockey. Watson's contract was stupid mismanagement by the Browns.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

Some are; some aren't. The guarantee or amount guaranteed is negotiable, just like a NMC or NTC in hockey. Watson's contract was stupid mismanagement by the Browns.

Yup. Whereas in the NHL, all contracts are guaranteed: the CBA requires it. Very different kettle of fish.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

That's why they never cared about the rookie deal, or giving up the split last time. They got made whole and still make their money.

Hopefully with the league getting younger, they voice their opinion.

Players and teams should share in the flexibility. Teams not being stuck with a deal, and player not being stuck to a team.

I know it sucks for us, but I firmly believe if we have a winning product players will stay and want to be here.

The NHLPA really represents star players. So what is their incentive to give up 8 year deals into their late 30s? It would have to be something significant like way earlier UFA status so they could make more money at the start of their career. If all they change is banning contracts like you suggest then there would be less money for young players as the star players would demand max contracts to compensate. Also players don’t care about a teams flexibility that is up to the GM manage.

[Jiri Hrdina]

The players will go after a broader definition of what revenue is shared, including expansion revenue. I think that will be one of the fights.

[dammage79]

An it's been waaay to long between flames games.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I listened to Jakob Pelletier's interview on the Fan 960 yesterday. Pelletier said he plays poker once a year, at the Flames' event, because people, who have the money, play a lot of poker. Pelletier then said at run time 2:04-2:06, "Wolfie's going to sign a nice ticket soon". I don't know if Pelletier was speaking about what is actually going to happen or indirectly talking about Wolf's play, but I thought it was a comment worth sharing.

I listened to it too. I took his comment to be more about the fact that Wolf is clearly awesome and will eventually earn a nice, large contract. Not that he's aware of anything happening soon.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The NHLPA really represents star players. So what is their incentive to give up 8 year deals into their late 30s? It would have to be something significant like way earlier UFA status so they could make more money at the start of their career. If all they change is banning contracts like you suggest then there would be less money for young players as the star players would demand max contracts to compensate. Also players don’t care about a teams flexibility that is up to the GM manage.

They already get earlier UFA now 7 years or 27 whichever is first. I could see the NHL bringing that down to 26.

Something will have to give, these long-term deals coupled with restrictive trade protection have gummied up the league.

Movement, more trade rumours will bring more interest to the league especially as we get more and more into the digital era.

THe NBA got more restrictive with the new CBA and its created more parity in the league, a team like OKC would never get back to the position they are in with the old CBA.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They already get earlier UFA now 7 years or 27 whichever is first. I could see the NHL bringing that down to 26.

Something will have to give, these long-term deals coupled with restrictive trade protection have gummied up the league.

Movement, more trade rumours will bring more interest to the league especially as we get more and more into the digital era.

THe NBA got more restrictive with the new CBA and its created more parity in the league, a team like OKC would never get back to the position they are in with the old CBA.

Small market teams will die out if they cannot give star players 8 year deals early. That's about all they have.

[Bonded]

If they are going to war over something it should NTC/NMCs, screw retirement contracts.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Small market teams will die out if they cannot give star players 8 year deals early. That's about all they have.

As I said above, they should study the way NBA does contracts. The team with the player can offer the most money, they would have to get creative that way.

Ability to offer 5 years and extra money. Free agency is only 4 years and less.

Teams are not having issues keeping players, but teams are able to resist the retirement contracts see a Paul George.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If they are going to war over something it should NTC/NMCs, screw retirement contracts.

This is the longest Gary has gone between lockouts, Covid played a big part in it. The players have been preparing for one. Hopefully they can finally bring peace to the NHL like the NBA and NFL.

[albertGQ]

The players had a war chest back in 2004. I wonder if they've been saving up for another war

I honestly think we won't see a work stoppage for awhile. Everyone is getting rich at the moment. No need to stop the gravy train

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

The players had a war chest back in 2004. I wonder if they've been saving up for another war

I honestly think we won't see a work stoppage for awhile. Everyone is getting rich at the moment. No need to stop the gravy train

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/travis-yost-n...acts-1.2166102

Not a war chest, but structuring contracts with bonuses.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

This is the longest Gary has gone between lockouts, Covid played a big part in it. The players have been preparing for one. Hopefully they can finally bring peace to the NHL like the NBA and NFL.

Odd to reference the NBA and NFL as examples of "peace," when they both locked out/struck only the year before the last NHL lockout.

You might like a few of their models, but some parts aren't great: in the NBA, there are some major weaknesses with shorter contracts for small market teams (like Calgary); in the NFL, they're running into the same crazy escalations that baseball has been seeing that could kill the smaller teams, and the lack of non-negotiated guarantees causes a number of problems for the shorter playing careers.

NHL and NHLPA have been working pretty closely as partners over the last decade and throughout Covid, negotiating things like the Olympics, 4 nations cup and a bunch of revenue generating things. Sure, they have a few issues, but things are working pretty well, and it's really unlikely we're going to see another strike with everyone making so much money these days.

If we run into another economic crisis, it's possible, but not the way things are going.

Also, I won't post again here on this topic to not further derail the thread...

[OILFAN #81]

Mikael Granlund is a hot commodity. Sharks source told me at least 10 teams have made initial contact about him. Should be moved at the deadline. Vancouver, Colorado, Minnesota among those interested.