2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I got called out in June when some suggested that Vladar would get us a 2nd. My prediction was he would be put on waiver this off season and clear. If we can unload his contract and get anything, we need to just take it.

The Flames are better off keeping him and giving Wolf plenty of starts in the A again.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He has value and won't be put on waivers, unless his game falls off a cliff this year. Why move him for nothing when there will be a market for goalies, once injuries start to kick in, around the league?

I was one of the people saying he'll get us a 2nd, and I am sticking with that call.

Maybe if Wolf has a poor pre-season you can be patient. But I'd rather just move him and have Wolf on the NHL roster from day 1. I also hate 3 goalies on a NHL roster.

It was already pointed out, Francouz is hurt and the Avs are looking but they likely want a short-term situation and likely do not want a $2.2 mil backup goalie. They probably will explore waivers over trading a 2nd for Vladar.

Maybe some team will, but I still doubt it's a 2nd so mess with 3 goalies or send Wolf down waiting for the 4th is not worth it.

Cap flexibility would be nice too. Moving Vladar puts us $1.5 mil under and that would be very nice come trade deadline whether we are sellers or buyers. I bet we could get much more with that cap at the deadline than the return Vladar gets us. Retain salary on trades, broker deals for other teams, pick up players like Tolvanen off waivers. Who knows what might be available with the extra cap space.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The Flames are better off keeping him and giving Wolf plenty of starts in the A again.

Unless he has a terrible camp, he's ready.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Unless he has a terrible camp, he's ready.

I don't doubt he is ready but I would rather he get 50+ starts with the Wranglers than sit behind Markstrom most nights. He is only 22, another year in the AHL won't hurt him.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't doubt he is ready but I would rather he get 50+ starts with the Wranglers than sit behind Markstrom most nights. He is only 22, another year in the AHL won't hurt him.

If he is on the team, he will not be sitting. 60/40 split at worst. He's getting 30 games in at the NHL level which is much better for him.

He has nothing left to prove at the AHL level. This has always been the Flames way and I'm hoping Conroy changes this. He's ready and he needs to be on the team.

Sucks to just ditch Vladar and he might be good, but his cap hit puts us in a bad spot to get a good return. His cap hit off the books has significant value too IMO. More value than the potential trade return we could get if we waited for goalies to get hurt.

[MrMike]

Vladar for Tatar

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Vladar for Tatar

Interesting rhyme. But I'm pretty sure avalanche just. Signed him

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[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The Flames are better off keeping him and giving Wolf plenty of starts in the A again.

No, they’re not.

They’re better off planning for Wolf to play 35-40 games at the NHL level and practicing with Jonathan Huberdeau.

[Monahammer]

IMO if Wolf doesn't see 20 games minimum (including a ~5 game stretch of straight starts) then we will not likely see him sign another contract with the flames.

[1qqaaz]

I think he would sign, because he would be an RFA without much leverage.

But I agree we wouldn't want to stick around for UFA years. I also think less than 20 games would be stupid for his development.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

IMO if Wolf doesn't see 20 games minimum (including a ~5 game stretch of straight starts) then we will not likely see him sign another contract with the flames.

It will impact his contract decision as an RFA. If he is upset that he gets sent down, he may try and stick it to the Flames when he resigns

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

IMO if Wolf doesn't see 20 games minimum (including a ~5 game stretch of straight starts) then we will not likely see him sign another contract with the flames.

Why?

His career has done nothing but flourish since he joined the Flames. They were also the team that drafted him. If Wolf were to pull that I would question his maturity and his want to stay/loyalty to the organization. And if that’s the case they should probably move him.

Thankfully it seems this will not be the case with Wolf and he, wisely, probably understands he might need to be a bit more patient while the team works him into full time NHL duty. His time will come whether it is this year or next. Wolf seems like a mature young man. His interview with Stienberg at the golf tournament gave no suggestion he’s unhappy or must be with the Flames this season, at all.

[Monahammer]

His career flourishing has almost nothing to do with the flames. I think many clubs would have given him a fair shake at the NHL last season given all that was going on. To not make room for him after two seasons of strong AHL performance and in light of our own NHL goalies respective performances is disrespectful at minimum.

Loyalty is earned, we have done nothing to encourage loyalty in Wolf. We haven't paid him big bucks, played him in favorable situations, or even showed him how his surreal performance in lower leagues will pay out in career trajectory. IMO it could be thought of by the player that the flames are purposely holding him back to extort better contract value out of him by the time they do need to re-sign him.

I reject (as always) your obtuse position TOfan. There's no reason for wolf to be loyal to the flames, that's the entire point of my argument. We've not given him reasons to trust us, and have given him reasons not to trust us. Not giving him an NHL spot is another reason not to trust us. I think it's becoming too many reasons.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

His career flourishing has almost nothing to do with the flames. I think many clubs would have given him a fair shake at the NHL last season given all that was going on. To not make room for him after two seasons of strong AHL performance and in light of our own NHL goalies respective performances is disrespectful at minimum.

Loyalty is earned, we have done nothing to encourage loyalty in Wolf. We haven't paid him big bucks, played him in favorable situations, or even showed him how his surreal performance in lower leagues will pay out in career trajectory. IMO it could be thought of by the player that the flames are purposely holding him back to extort better contract value out of him by the time they do need to re-sign him.

I reject (as always) your obtuse position TOfan. There's no reason for wolf to be loyal to the flames, that's the entire point of my argument. We've not given him reasons to trust us, and have given him reasons not to trust us. Not giving him an NHL spot is another reason not to trust us. I think it's becoming too many reasons.

The obtuse position here is to assume that Wolf isn't going to sign with the Flames if he doesn't get 20+ games this year. This incessant negativity is just exhausting

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

His career flourishing has almost nothing to do with the flames. I think many clubs would have given him a fair shake at the NHL last season given all that was going on. To not make room for him after two seasons of strong AHL performance and in light of our own NHL goalies respective performances is disrespectful at minimum.

Loyalty is earned, we have done nothing to encourage loyalty in Wolf. We haven't paid him big bucks, played him in favorable situations, or even showed him how his surreal performance in lower leagues will pay out in career trajectory. IMO it could be thought of by the player that the flames are purposely holding him back to extort better contract value out of him by the time they do need to re-sign him.

I reject (as always) your obtuse position TOfan. There's no reason for wolf to be loyal to the flames, that's the entire point of my argument. We've not given him reasons to trust us, and have given him reasons not to trust us. Not giving him an NHL spot is another reason not to trust us. I think it's becoming too many reasons.

They drafted him
They signed him
They are developing him
And so far all that seems to be going swimmingly.
He's not behind in terms of when most goalies start to get NHL time.

I sometimes wonder why some of you cheer for a team that you seem to have such a clear dislike for.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Also is there a shred if data or information that suggests Wolf unhappy. I mean since we are speculating that he's not going to re-sign, I assume there must be something that points to this risk.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

His career flourishing has almost nothing to do with the flames. I think many clubs would have given him a fair shake at the NHL last season given all that was going on. To not make room for him after two seasons of strong AHL performance and in light of our own NHL goalies respective performances is disrespectful at minimum.

Loyalty is earned, we have done nothing to encourage loyalty in Wolf. We haven't paid him big bucks, played him in favorable situations, or even showed him how his surreal performance in lower leagues will pay out in career trajectory. IMO it could be thought of by the player that the flames are purposely holding him back to extort better contract value out of him by the time they do need to re-sign him.

I reject (as always) your obtuse position TOfan. There's no reason for wolf to be loyal to the flames, that's the entire point of my argument. We've not given him reasons to trust us, and have given him reasons not to trust us. Not giving him an NHL spot is another reason not to trust us. I think it's becoming too many reasons.

Wait a tick. Where exactly have the Flames given Wolf a reason not to trust them? Right up until this point he and the Flames have been bang on either way.

I'm a firm believer in Wolf, he's done literally everything any team in the NHL could possibly ask of him to get NHL starts. And then some. And IMO, it's in the Flames best interest to make room for him at the #2 spot both on merit and for salary cap reasons.

I don't think anyone should be too worried about Wolf not making the team. He's going to out perform Vladar in every single aspect at training camp. I have zero doubt about it.

I feel you're being too harsh on the Flames for zero reason in regards to Wolf specifically.

We don't know anything further yet as no decisions have been made for us to believe the Flames are doing wold dirty. (Which they haven't, at all, in no way)

And, even if he does get sent down (I don't believe he will) he will get called up a lot. I think the Flames goal is to get the youth rolling full time in the NHL on and accelerated path. Not that Wolf needs help with that.

[GioforPM]

As I understand it, the Flames and Wolf agreed to a development plan and gthe Flames have stuck to it. why would he not trust them? What promises have not been kept.

Wolf is a great propspect, but some people here fail to grasp the extreme difference between AHL and NHL shooters. I think there are plenty of fast guys, plenty of big and strong guys in the AHL. But shot quality seems to be a big difference for goalies.

OTOH, NHL teams generally play better structured defence so that aspect is easier for goalies.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

His career flourishing has almost nothing to do with the flames. I think many clubs would have given him a fair shake at the NHL last season given all that was going on. To not make room for him after two seasons of strong AHL performance and in light of our own NHL goalies respective performances is disrespectful at minimum.

Loyalty is earned, we have done nothing to encourage loyalty in Wolf. We haven't paid him big bucks, played him in favorable situations, or even showed him how his surreal performance in lower leagues will pay out in career trajectory. IMO it could be thought of by the player that the flames are purposely holding him back to extort better contract value out of him by the time they do need to re-sign him.

I reject (as always) your obtuse position TOfan. There's no reason for wolf to be loyal to the flames, that's the entire point of my argument. We've not given him reasons to trust us, and have given him reasons not to trust us. Not giving him an NHL spot is another reason not to trust us. I think it's becoming too many reasons.

An odd take.

They drafted him late in round 7 when it appeared he could easily go undrafted.

They gave him an opportunity to play, and presumably coached him into becoming a very good goalie prospect.

I think its likely true to say that most NHL teams would not have initially given him any shake at all, much less a fair one.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

As I understand it, the Flames and Wolf agreed to a development plan and gthe Flames have stuck to it. why would he not trust them? What promises have not been kept.

Wolf is a great propspect, but some people here fail to grasp the extreme difference between AHL and NHL shooters. I think there are plenty of fast guys, plenty of big and strong guys in the AHL. But shot quality seems to be a big difference for goalies.

OTOH, NHL teams generally play better structured defence so that aspect is easier for goalies.

I don't think there's a failure to grasp anything at all. Wolf has dominated every stage of his development. There's no reason to believe he won't out perform Vladar at camp. In fact I would argue their respective data sets would favor Wolf by a fair margin in term of NHL readiness. Even from an imperical point of view, Wolf is ready.