Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's an irrelevant question. It's like asking "do you think everything in Canada should be split exactly evenly between all citizens".

I get it. You don’t want to answer the question. It doesn’t mean you live or hate Trudeau if you answer yes or no.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's an irrelevant question. It's like asking "do you think everything in Canada should be split exactly evenly between all citizens".

Great non answer.

The answer we all know is yes all Provinces should contribute equally.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I get it. You don’t want to answer the question. It doesn’t mean you live or hate Trudeau if you answer yes or no.

You didn’t answer it either, so instead of playing some dumb game where people either answer your question or you get to accuse them of not wanting to answer it for any other reason than they don’t think it’s worth answering (because of the asker or the question itself), maybe you could just do everyone a favour and provide your thoughts on it.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Poilievre has a very strong and long standing record supporting the state of Israel.

https://www.jns.org/canadian-opposit...rime-minister/



https://thecjn.ca/news/tories-liberals-spar-israel/



Can his stance be any clearer?

That's exactly what I mean by unsubstantiated accusations born from political boogyman and narratives, and why claiming he is dog-whistling is asinine and dangerous and needs to be substantiated.

Dog whistling is a method of gaining support of particular groups. Being part of those particular groups is not a prerequisite for using it, unless you also misunderstand the term “dog whistling.”

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I get it. You don’t want to answer the question. It doesn’t mean you live or hate Trudeau if you answer yes or no.

I did answer the question, I said it's irrelevant.

If you want a longer answer, it would be "I don't know" because I don't know the details of Quebec's system, how it was approved in the climate framework, and what drawbacks may exist to allow for different levels of taxation. I suspect most here are in the same position, no matter their claims.

I'm also fully aware of Quebec's place within Confederation, it's disproportionate representation, and the unfixable reality around that. Which is why getting bent out of shape around Quebec and it's differences is such a pointless exercise.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Poilievre has a very strong and long standing record supporting the state of Israel.

https://www.jns.org/canadian-opposit...rime-minister/



https://thecjn.ca/news/tories-liberals-spar-israel/



Can his stance be any clearer?

That's exactly what I mean by unsubstantiated accusations born from political boogyman and narratives, and why claiming he is dog-whistling is asinine and dangerous and needs to be substantiated.

He can be publicly pro-Israel and still be using anti-Semitic dog whistles to recruit votes to his cause. He may be unaware of the anti-Semitic roots of the conspiracies he is engaging in but I think he is smarter than that.

The Conservative Party is also entirely in support of the WEF economic agenda and will not govern radically differently economically from that trajectory so PP isn’t exactly always the most truthful

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Firebot

I don't see the word dog-whistling, a term coined by Trudeau specifically a year ago on a congratulatory statement on Poilievre's inauguration of all things.

Originally Posted by Firebot

And in the end, the reporter who coined it, couldn't state or answer who did. Hence the retort.

Either get your story straight, or look up the definition of "coin a term".

Edit: after reading more of your responses and your "Trudeau devised it about Polievre" explanation, the fact that you also used it about the reporter, the more I'm convinced you have/had no idea what coined meant.

[iggy_oi]

This thread is really going places today.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

This thread is really going places today.

August 17, 2023 - iggy_oi coins the phrase '[inanimate object] is really going places today'.

Historic.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

This thread is really going places today.

Carbon taxes and dog whistles. Really looking forward to an election campaign built around these things!

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

August 17, 2023 - iggy_oi coins the phrase '[inanimate object] is really going places today'.

Historic.

I’m glad there’s a record of this. Now Firebot can’t give Trudeau credit for coining it.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Carbon taxes and dog whistles. Really looking forward to an election campaign built around these things!

Me too!! Well, more just the carbon tax.

I don’t even have a dog so don’t have any need for a whistle.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by GGG

He can be publicly pro-Israel and still be using anti-Semitic dog whistles to recruit votes to his cause. He may be unaware of the anti-Semitic roots of the conspiracies he is engaging in but I think he is smarter than that.

He's unaware of antisemitic roots relating to the WEF, yet is still somehow using it as an antisemitic dog whistle...despite him being a staunch very public defender of Israel?

Maybe...just maybe, he just doesn't like the WEF?

I mean if this is seriously the stance some forum members have and are actively branding Poilievre with his record on Israel of all people as an antisemite or catering to them through subliminal messages, it's pointless for me to argue on it.

And also this forum apparently really really hates the improper use of the word coin I've had less vitriol for saying the Oilers are good.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Firebot

He's unaware of antisemitic roots relating to the WEF, yet is still somehow using it as an antisemitic dog whistle...despite him being a staunch very public defender of Israel?

Maybe...just maybe, he just doesn't like the WEF?

I mean if this is seriously the stance some forum members have and are actively branding Poilievre with his record on Israel of all people as an antisemite or catering to them through subliminal messages, it's pointless for me to argue on it.

And also this forum apparently really really hates the improper use of the word coin I've had less vitriol for saying the Oilers are good.

You don’t seem to understand half the words you use let alone the actual positions of the people you’re arguing with so what would make you think there was any point in the first place?

You can’t even say you didn’t know what “coin” meant without trying to spin it, which is bizarre. Don’t be afraid to have a normal conversation.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Firebot

And also this forum apparently really really hates the improper use of the word coin I've had less vitriol for saying the Oilers are good.

It's all in good fun to revel in a "stupid moment" at someone else's expense, it's just less fun when that someone else is you.

What I don't get is why you're defending PP for behaving the exact same way he has taken Trudeau and other government officials to task for in the past. PP used to be the one who was a tenacious attack dog on getting real answers out of people instead of letting them deflect on a technicality (the WE scandal is one instance I remember particularly well), and now he's doing pretty much exactly that. He might as well have pulled a white chip macadamia cookie out of his coat pocket and said "I'm not done eating my cookie".

From your own post:

Originally Posted by Firebot

Reporter's question: "A number of your own comments and actions has been characterized as dog-whistling to the far-right...by a number of different experts" Are you trying to court the far right vote?"

Poilievre: "Who? By who? Experts? Who are the experts?"

The reporter's question is: Are you trying to court the far-right vote?

The preamble of "A number of your own comments and actions have been characterized as dog-whistling to the far-right" may be why the question is being asked, but it does not invalidate the question any more than if the preamble was "I hear your favourite flavour of ice cream is rocky road", nor is the question any less valid if the journalist asking the question cannot immediately recite however many examples of other people saying so is needed so as to satisfy PP's imaginary threshold for not qualifying as "another left-wing CBC smear job".

"Are you trying to court the far-right vote?" is a question that stands on its own and is a yes/no/maybe question. PP's little 'gotcha' moment makes him look every bit as unlikeable as the people he used to lampoon for doing the same thing.

It also doesn't matter if the specific term "dog-whistling" isn't used explicitly, since words have meanings and just because I say you're acting like an insufferable weenie who is excessively concerned with minor details doesn't mean PepsiFree can't say I just called you a "pedant", albeit in long-hand.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

He's unaware of antisemitic roots relating to the WEF, yet is still somehow using it as an antisemitic dog whistle...despite him being a staunch very public defender of Israel?

Maybe...just maybe, he just doesn't like the WEF?

I mean if this is seriously the stance some forum members have and are actively branding Poilievre with his record on Israel of all people as an antisemite or catering to them through subliminal messages, it's pointless for me to argue on it.

And also this forum apparently really really hates the improper use of the word coin I've had less vitriol for saying the Oilers are good.

Hypothetically they could all just be a bunch of fascist liberal apologists conspiring against freedom fighter Pierre Firebot.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Hypothetically they could all just be a bunch of fascist liberal apologists conspiring against freedom fighter Pierre Firebot.

F-ckin' top coinage, bruh.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Hypothetically they could all just be a bunch of fascist liberal apologists conspiring against freedom fighter Pierre Firebot.

Personally, I think Firebot may be anti-Semantic.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Firebot

He's unaware of antisemitic roots relating to the WEF, yet is still somehow using it as an antisemitic dog whistle...despite him being a staunch very public defender of Israel?

Maybe...just maybe, he just doesn't like the WEF?

I mean if this is seriously the stance some forum members have and are actively branding Poilievre with his record on Israel of all people as an antisemite or catering to them through subliminal messages, it's pointless for me to argue on it.

And also this forum apparently really really hates the improper use of the word coin I've had less vitriol for saying the Oilers are good.

We know he doesn’t hate WEF, he under the Harper government was an active participant.

So at a minimum he is lying about what conservative policies would be to engage in conspiracy talk to engage his base.

Now you can try to make the argument that he is unaware that the WEF conspiracy is just the latest version of the Jewish bankers rule the world and aren’t loyal to any country conspiracy. If that’s the case then you can given him a pass on the anti-Semitic portion of the dog whistle and it’s just political lying to appeal to his conspiracy minded base.

Or we can assume PP is a reasonably competent person and knows the history of anti-semantic tropes of secret groups controlling the world.

Either way if he is unknowingly using anti-Semitic dog whistles or if it’s intentional he should be called out on it.

The story being missed here though is that he is just outright misleading the public that the conservatives are anti-WEF.

[Bill Bumface]