[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Centrists all about promising one thing then never delivering to get votes.

How about you wait and see what happens when he takes office before you #### your pants any further. The Trump admin has not been cooperative in sharing information so they are going in blind. Good leadership does not make change until they have a complete assessment of current situation and have a plan to achieve the desired state.

I've read quite a few things that Biden has "back pedaled" on and am a little concerned. But I'm also smart enough to recognize how the system works and how many of these promises require a significant level of cooperation from congress to make them a reality. That is a wait and see game. So while it would be nice to see Biden come in and make my student loans disappear I understand that when you're talking about a trillion and a half dollars that it requires an act of congress to make it happen. So a little patience to see what shakes out. Mitch McConnell is still the most powerful man in politics, so that comes into play with anything that will happen.

Pathetic. "Engage a voting block" eg. lying to the public to win an election. This is not a thing that should be celebrated.

Welcome to politics. You think that your socialist buddies are any different? AOC makes lots of promises and delivers on none of them, because politics is about compromise. I don't know why this is a surprise to anyone? You state what you would like to do or hope to do, then deal with the reality of trying to work the system to make those desires become reality.

Trump's border and immigration policies have been nothing short of barbaric.

Yes they have, and they will change. It is going to take a change in law and a change in leadership in DHS for the culture to change. Again, executive orders don't change a damn thing if the department charged with implementing the policy is not equipped to do so. Change has to take place and that will take some time. You have to be a pretty big simpleton to think that any politician is going to come in, sign a piece of paper (sharpie or not) and see broad systemic change. Get a grip, you're smarter than that.

[Yamer]

Were people anticipating Biden to come in and whip out an executive order to "reverse Trump" on January 21, without a plan, subsequently tossing the whole system into chaos and uncertainty?

That sounds like a very Trump thing to do.

[activeStick]

It's certainly funny to see that the same people who railed on Trump for eliminating and reversing things for no other reason than Obama, have forgotten about their position and are now chastising Biden for not doing the same because Trump.

[oldschoolcalgary]

"we take him seriously, not literally"

Anyone that thinks or thought these policies could be reversed on "Day 1" is delusional...these policies took months to put into place and will require the same amount of time to unwind.

Nothing in government happens overnight - However, the process to start that dismantling ought to be the first order of business on Jan.21, even if it isn't fully completed until a few months later.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

"we take him seriously, not literally"

Anyone that thinks or thought these policies could be reversed on "Day 1" is delusional...these policies took months to put into place and will require the same amount of time to unwind.

Nothing in government happens overnight - However, the process to start that dismantling ought to be the first order of business on Jan.21, even if it isn't fully completed until a few months later.

Totally. Election promises are always oversold by every candidate, but I think the intention is to get the ball rolling on day 1, but realistically, change won't be overnight.

Keep in mind too that it is completely understandable to change plans after an election. The president is supposed to represent and fight for all Americans, regardless of whether they voted for him or not. The truth of the matter is that almost 75 million people voted for Trump, including many in the states that are directly affected by the change. It's the curse of a centrist to have find the middle ground and that isn't always known until after the election.

Based on the election results, Biden has no mandate to go in like a dictator and start ham fisting policy.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yeah, not buying that one... you can change plans, but when you unequivocally commit to do something immediately, you've sent a clear message that at least that promise is non-negotiable. It's Gitmo all over again if he doesn't fix it. And it doesn't make any sense not to, because there are lots of easy incremental changes to make at the border.

It's fine if it takes some time, they had four years to #### things up, you cant un#### it all on January 20th. But he should at least have a plan in place that begins on day 1.

[PsYcNeT]

You guys remember there are children starving to death, women being raped, forced hysterectomies, and rampant disease in each of the internment camps?

Every day this continues under a Biden admin is absolutely monstrous.

"Oh what are a few more women sterilized against their will? It's better we dismantle these prisons for children carefully. I mean, it's not me or my kids in there."

[afc wimbledon]

yes, capital idea just open up the front door and boot them out, I'm sure all those kids will find someone nice to take care of them at the greyhound station

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

yes, capital idea just open up the front door and boot them out, I'm sure all those kids will find someone nice to take care of them at the greyhound station

It's going to take a while to figure out who some people are and where they are from, plus to time to give them the provisions they need to get home or give them residency in the U.S.

I mean sure, if the rapes and hysterectomies keep happening, then that will be an issue.

[oldschoolcalgary]

I guess all that I am suggesting is let's wait and see once Biden has full command of the powers of the federal government...

The pandemic response and stimulus will be the first item on the agenda, as it should be, as well and ensuring that everyone is on board with the new administration - which will mean rooting out Trump loyalists.

The latter is no different than any incoming administration...

but some move towards fixing border and immigration policies should start in earnest in the first weeks

[afc wimbledon]

For several weeks the prisoners in the death camps were kept in the camps at times by force during the liberation as it was the only way to provide them with the food and medical help they needed, this isnt really much different, you dont fix chaos by going off at half #### without a plan

[flamesfever]

nm

[dammage79]

Let's not forget that many kids have been separated from already deported parents with allegedly little to no paperwork to track them down. This administration absolutely left an almost unsurmountable mess to clean up properly.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Let's not forget that many kids have been separated from already deported parents with allegedly little to no paperwork to track them down. This administration absolutely left an almost unsurmountable mess to clean up properly.

Yes, besides the mess to clean up, he also has to move slowly to avoid triggering a rush of people at the border.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

yes, capital idea just open up the front door and boot them out, I'm sure all those kids will find someone nice to take care of them at the greyhound station

These strawmen are getting even less intelligent.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

These strawmen are getting even less intelligent.

how is it a strawman, ICE has several tens of thousands of refugees in detainment, a rushed release means not knowing who or where or how they are leaving, they would become a dream recruitment field for MS13 or the like

[PsYcNeT]

Sure sucks that the Democrats haven't had like, 3 years to think of a possible plan of action since the whole border debacle became a thing.

Just completely handcuffed by the sheer suddenness of it.

[oldschoolcalgary]

This article touches on some of the challenges faced by the administration... aside from the regulatory and legal challenges, there will be some legislative challenges as well, especially if the Democrats don't win the Senate via the Georgia run off elections

And if they do win, who knows what the GOP will do in terms of legal challenges (to be fair, if its close, the Democrats will also seek to mount legal challenges as well)...this could potentially cause gridlock, especially on issues that don't have bipartisan support.

While Biden can take action on MPP immediately, unraveling Trump’s regulatory scheme, including his regulations drastically limiting asylum eligibility for migrants arriving on the border, will likely be a months-long process.

The Biden administration would have to issue new regulations to rescind any of the regulations Trump has finalized, including likely going through the burdensome process of giving the public notice and the opportunity to comment. It could also try to revise regulations subject to ongoing litigation through a court settlement. Those regulations include one that limits asylum seekers from obtaining work authorization while they wait, sometimes for months, for their application to be processed.

“They’re realizing that they have two months to figure out a really complicated mess of things,” a source familiar with the transition told CNN. “People are really overwhelmed trying to figure out the sheer issues, the sheer number of pieces you have to coordinate. This is the genius of Stephen Miller.”

https://www.vox.com/21571925/biden-t...asylum-migrant

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Sure sucks that the Democrats haven't had like, 3 years to think of a possible plan of action since the whole border debacle became a thing.

Just completely handcuffed by the sheer suddenness of it.

yes because the Trump administration has been easily the most open administration in my lifetime, happily sharing access, making officials available, stats and information, yes shouldnt be any problem taking over from those guys

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by New Era

You think that your socialist buddies are any different? AOC makes lots of promises and delivers on none of them, because politics is about compromise.

It's exactly the same thing with the federal NDP in Canada. It's easy when you have no realistic chance to govern to make criticisms. The left that criticizes Biden would never be able to implement what they want overnight, but they have the luxury of never actually having to prove it either.