Russia invades Ukraine

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by peter12

s an aside, you have to feel for the Russian conscripts being pushed into a fight with little training and increasingly substandard equipment to face a foe that is becoming increasingly better armed with Western equipment and is now the most experienced army in the world.

Not if you are on the other end of their rifles.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I much prefer it when you are banned from the board and the adults can discuss things.

calm the #### down

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

Ukrainians have done it twice.

I don’t think this thread is the place for the discussion of how regimes change but I see mass protest as a lagging indicator rather than a prerequisite.

[Elkyiv]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Let's get a bit real here people. Are you going to go run up and stage a protest, or get the absolute #### outta there? This is not a tough decision when the weight of the fragility of life is concerned.

Czechoslovakia, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Ukraine.

[nik-]

The Iranians are making the Russians look limp as well. One woman dies and they're out there. How many Russians are going to die before they do anything?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Classic post something and reverse it.. here we go!!

I can see your reading skills still require some work.

[ripTDR]

Originally Posted by nik-

The Iranians are making the Russians look limp as well. One woman dies and they're out there. How many Russians are going to die before they do anything?

Wouldn't there be a lag though? How long have the Iranians been oppressed?


It's only been a couple of freaking days. I'm thinking this has to bake, let it play out. Loads of Russians are probably going to die, and that has to get back to the populace and(hopefully) stoke their anger

[peter12]

Obviously, Putin is facing increasing domestic pressure to stand down.

Hundreds of Russians have been arrested over the past couple of days.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...r-mobilisation

This whole thing is going to be messy. Years of internal propaganda preaching the racial superiority of the Russian people and the weakness of the West. It's all coming down pretty hard.

Keep in mind that Russia is a large place with major urban centres separated from each by considerable distance. Getting the critical mass to build a major national protest movement is going to be tough.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

110%. So much tough guy internet keyboard warrior tough talk in this thread it's hilarious. 95% of regular people don't have the balls to be the ones to stand up to Russian militia, police, security enforcers in a protest to try and get the required hundreds of thousands / MILLIONS of people to rise up and join the kind of mass protest truly needed. Furthermore, Russia has adequately demonstrated, throughout history long ago and recently, that they will absolutely tolerate precisely zero protest or political / regime change engagement so you better pray you aren't the first one to stand up, or you may just end up like that lady in the video a couple pages back.

So no, everyone sitting around clamouring that Russian people need to stand up, I doubt any of you would do anything first of all in the same position and second of all and importantly- what- precisely are you expecting Larry the plumber or Suzie the librarian to do against these properly trained and armed security personnel that have actual direct orders to cause as much harm as fast as possible against you?

If a mass protest starts to erupt, I 1,000,000% expect Russia to start unloading on its own crowds. Without doubt. It'll be a slaughterfest, and there will be exactly zero protests thereafter. Let's get a bit real here people. Are you going to go run up and stage a protest, or get the absolute #### outta there? This is not a tough decision when the weight of the fragility of life is concerned.

This is nonsense.

There are currently large protests going on in Iran, 50 confirmed dead and uncountable number of injuries. Not over.

Syrians started a civil war after the government replied to protests woth violence, and would have probably succeeded if Russia hadn't intervened.

There have been protests today in occupied Ukraine. In fact Ukrainian civilians have been standing up to Russian military unarmed multiple times over this occupation.

China is no less draconian than Russia, there have been very large protests just this year, enough to call the military in.

In frickin Afghanistan this year, under Taleban, there have been plenty of open protests.

It took months to shut down Belarussian protests last year, despite outright torture used towards captured protestors. They didn't topple Lukashenko, but caused a significant weakening to his position, possibly enough to be a decisive factor in keeping Belarus out of the war in Ukraine.

Venezuelans arranged tens of thousands of protests in the 2010's despite thousands arrested and hundreds dead.

Russians are just chickensh*t, collectively speaking. This would be a perfect time to rise up. Huge numbers of the security force are tied up in Ukraine, and the military is extremely dissatisfied with the war.

[peter12]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=3184fc787b3f

The Slovenians are giving Ukraine some of their upgraded T-55 tanks. This conflict is wild.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by peter12

I can see your reading skills still require some work.

You haven't changed much I see. Well, see you later and good luck in this thread. Not going to bother reading your drive-by's, drivel and auto-quotes. The floor is yours

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by peter12

Obviously, Putin is facing increasing domestic pressure to stand down.

Hundreds of Russians have been arrested over the past couple of days.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...r-mobilisation

This whole thing is going to be messy. Years of internal propaganda preaching the racial superiority of the Russian people and the weakness of the West. It's all coming down pretty hard.

Keep in mind that Russia is a large place with major urban centres separated from each by considerable distance. Getting the critical mass to build a major national protest movement is going to be tough.

Not to mention that Putin has been making efforts to shelter major cities like Moscow and St. Petersburg from seeing the full effects of the war and mobilization. If something is going to get organized, it has to be in those centers.

For the most part, it seems like Russians are conditioned to mind their own business. It's every man for himself. It's going to take a huge shift in their psyche to get anything going there. If or when their troops start returning home, that might be the trigger needed. There are likely going to be a lot of pissed off young men coming back.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by peter12

I never said it wasn't serious, but you can understand why world attention is being drawn exclusively to the Russian-Ukrainian War, right?

It's basically for the reasons CroFlames said. It's a conflict involving a European country and it threatens US and NATO interests. There's a reason that basically no one outside of NATO and its allies have taken a side in the war, because to them it's much like the dozens of serious conflicts that have occurred around the world in the post-WWII period.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by opendoor

It's basically for the reasons CroFlames said. It's a conflict involving a European country and it threatens US and NATO interests. There's a reason that basically no one outside of NATO and its allies have taken a side in the war, because to them it's much like the dozens of serious conflicts that have occurred around the world in the post-WWII period.

Both China and India continue to side with Russia. It is absolutely a war of global concern.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Not to mention that Putin has been making efforts to shelter major cities like Moscow and St. Petersburg from seeing the full effects of the war and mobilization. If something is going to get organized, it has to be in those centers.

For the most part, it seems like Russians are conditioned to mind their own business. It's every man for himself. It's going to take a huge shift in their psyche to get anything going there. If or when their troops start returning home, that might be the trigger needed. There are likely going to be a lot of pissed off young men coming back.

Decades of Communist rule have stripped most Russians of any kind of public spirit.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

calm the #### down

Um, what?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by peter12

Both China and India continue to side with Russia. It is absolutely a war of global concern.

Is doing nothing and taking economic advantage siding with Russia? I’d say those to countries are neutral for now.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by peter12

Both China and India continue to side with Russia. It is absolutely a war of global concern.

They're not siding with Russia; it's not like they're providing arms or any real support. They're just willing to exploit the situation to benefit their economies, which is pretty standard operating procedure for most large powers (NATO included).

And sure the war is a global concern, but primarily because it threatens US and NATO interests and involves a NATO-backed country. The attention it gets isn't because of the scale of the fighting or the causalities.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by nik-

The Iranians are making the Russians look limp as well. One woman dies and they're out there. How many Russians are going to die before they do anything?

I feel like if the Russians did what the Iranians are doing right now, there'd be hundreds and thousands of Russian deaths.

There's something like 30 deaths in Iran right now. IMO if the people were pulling the same act in Russia, we'd see 3,000+ deaths there.

[Kasi]

No that’s just what Russian propaganda wants you to believe. This thread from the start has been filled with fearmongering over what if Putin does this and what if he does that and he’s a total lunatic. Basically treating him like some toddler holding his parents hostage. And this is what the point of it is. They want you to be scared. Not because they’ll do these things but because they want the fear of them doing these things will scare you into conceding. So yay grats to falling for Russia’s MO. So no I don’t think they’d be any more repressive of their own people than freaking China or Iran. It’s just they want you to think you’re hopeless. The entire plan in Russia the last 20 years is to make the people as apolotical as possible so they won’t object when you do bad things to them.